Il-2 Sturmovnik

[KrisJG3]

Is it posible on base this number agree more details ?
For sure this is Il-2:

http://gdansk.naszemiasto.pl/artykul...id,tm,zid.html

[HGabor]

Yes, this was probably IL-2 No.1876469

(The 64th plane of the 69th batch from Factory No.18., a two seater version = 7) where 6469 was the "real" serial number of the plane. Painting on the factory info while the plane was still standing in the factory would have been senseless ;-))))) Many soviet regiments used only this "short version" in their papers (only the batch and the plane ID) of the IL-2 serial numbers without the "factory part".

Cheers,
Gabor

[KrisJG3]

So on base this number we can agree pilot/crew name(s) and unit ?

Thanks for above answer.

[HGabor]

Yes. This serial number must be listed in the loss records (for Poland), identifying the crew, the date and the unit. Probably the AM-38F engine serial number will be mentioned there too.
Gabor

[kirche]

Kris,
http://gdansk.naszemiasto.pl/artykul...id,tm,zid.html
What is written? hard to see.
Not only 1876469, but and may be 1886469 (plant 18 tipe 8 for 1944-45), or 306469 (plant 30), or it's plant 1 (only 6469)
Regards,
Kirill

[HGabor]

This IL-2 -based on location- probably belonged to the 4 VA. On October 1, 1944 there was no such IL-2 assigned to this VA as "6469". (Neither 1876469, 6469, nor 306469.)

For Factory 1. "6469" was a too early production, for factory no. 18. 1886469 would be a waaaaaaaay too high serial number.
For Factory 1. a "99xx", for factory 18. an "188xx03" or so would be reasonable.
Other option would be like 188xx115, or 187xxxxx, but not this high...
Also, it can be a re-used, spare part on a newer plane for which the S/N is still not recovered. Cheers,

Gabor

[KrisJG3]

Sorry Кириль,

I also can not to read but here is also some text on the amored part of shell Il-2:
http://gdansk.naszemiasto.pl/artykul...id,tm,zid.html
Yes it could be from 4 BA or 16 BA ?
(Crew - 2 person: pilot and gunner)

Kris

[kirche]

Yes, I jumped versions.
188-type had a higher series at the end of 1944 (the numbering was continuous 187-188).
Plant №30 in late 1944 in units were 40s-50s series.
Plant №1 at the end of 1944 were already at 90-100 series.
So this is either 1876469 (quite old Il-2), or it 306469 - new 1945 Il-2 factory 30 (don't know was it's, but plant №30 produced 8865 planes)
regards,
Kirill

[HGabor]

Yep, from Factory No.1 (in the winter of 1944-45) many IL-2s with 8xxx serial numbers were still in service. But 6xxx was too old production for here.
From Factory No.30, eg. IL-2, S/N: 306132 was lost on November 15, 1944. In 1944-1945 many IL-2s with S/N: 303xxx-308xxx were still in service, so No.306469 would be another candidate, especially, because -generally speaking- due to logistics, etc., Factory No.30 delivered IL-2s mainly to the Northern fronts. Factory No.1 delivered planes rather to the South, while Factory No.18 delivered ~everywhere (regardless of the few exceptions).
From Factory No.18 IL-2s, like 1870169, 1872471, 1878771 were lost in late 1944-1945, ~mainly from the 71st batch. (But batch No.69 is still reasonable.)

Briefly: IL-2, S/N: 1876469 and 306469 are the good candidates here, but none of these planes were in 4 VA service -at least- by October 1, 1944. (I have no info in 1945 or on the 16 VA.)

Cheers,
Gabor

[kirche]

Kris,
The number of aircraft still to be written on the armor plates:
"the nasal sectors";
http://coollib.net/i/12/124812/pic_39.jpg
http://www.rkka.es/aviones/ilyushin/...n/002/2004.gif
"gills" in the nose from the inner side (three of them);
http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/AK/AK2009-08/34-2.jpg
http://cdn.airplane-pictures.net/ima.../24/205441.jpg
on bulkhead behind the engine;
https://www.litmir.co/BookBinary/225...8091/i_120.jpg
and other...
regards,
Kirill