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Old 12th February 2016, 18:59
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Russian 'Red on Red'?

Hi guys

Extracted from Russian website. I would appreciate a better translation/interpretation than that of Google, please!

"July 24, 1941 when performing flight report at plant No. 18 in TMA Rossosh plane Ep-2 head. No. 1,850,705 was twice attacked and shot fighter and a-16. After the second attack, the plane caught fire. Pilot Maj. Rykov and leading engineer of SCIENTIFIC voeninžener 2 rank Kokorin out with parachutes. Wingtips Safonov and borttehnik Seregin were killed, is reported by the senior voenpred plant. - Cause: inconsistent with the PVO. application for flight permission and were engaged in the issue of the NKVD."

A Russian aircraft was shot down by an I-16?

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Old 12th February 2016, 19:35
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Re: Russian 'Red on Red'?

Comrade Brian

Post me the Russian text , will get you the correct English output less a Budweiser
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Old 14th February 2016, 09:50
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Re: Russian 'Red on Red'?

The text is coming from there: http://coollib.com/b/329301/read
«24 июля 1941 г. при выполнении сдаточного полета на заводе № 18 в районе аэродрома Россошь самолет Ер-2 зав. № 1850705 был дважды атакован и обстрелян истребителем И-16. После второй атаки самолет загорелся. Летчик майор Рыков и ведущий инженер НИИ ВВС военинженер 2 ранга Кокорин выпрыгнули с парашютами. Бортрадист Сафонов и борттехник Серегин погибли,
— сообщал старший военпред завода. — Причина: несогласованность с ПВО. Заявка на полет и разрешение были. Вопросом занимается НКВД».
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Old 14th February 2016, 16:03
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Re: Russian 'Red on Red'?

"On 24 July, 1941 during the flight for acceptance at the factory № 18 in area of Rossosh airfield the plane, Yer-2 factory No. 1850705 was twice attacked and fired on by a fighter I-16. After the second attack Yer-2 caught fire. The pilot, major Rykov and senior engineer research Institute of the air force, military engineer 2nd rank Kokorin jumped out with parachutes. The radio operator Safonov and onboard technician Seregin were killed. The message is senior military representative of the plant. — Cause: lack of coordination with air defense. The application for the flight permit and have been issued. Investigation is conducted by the NKVD."

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Old 15th February 2016, 12:43
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Re: Russian 'Red on Red'?

Many thanks, Kirche

Now it makes sense!

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Old 18th February 2016, 20:30
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Re: Russian 'Red on Red'?

Even would-be top Soviet fighter pilot, Aleksandr Pokryshkin, had a red-on-red incident on the first day of the war on East: "On June 22, the first day of the war, his first air combat was a disaster. Seeing an aircraft in the air of a type he had never seen before, he attacked and shot it down, only to notice as it was going down that it had Soviet red stars on the wings. It was a Soviet Su-2 light bomber of the 211th Bomber Aviation Regiment, piloted by squadron commander M.I. Gudzenko . This was a new bomber type that was kept secret even from other Soviet pilots."
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Old 18th February 2016, 21:28
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Re: Russian 'Red on Red'?

Thanks Denes

I did know about that one!

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