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edwest · #1 16th September 2007, 03:18

Stig Jarlevik · #2 16th September 2007, 20:53

Hi All

Anyone who has an idea which unit or even which pilot in JG 51 who flow this one?
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=290160094587
The unit signs are confusing,since the gun-slinging Mickey is supposed to be with 1./JG 51 while the raven with a cold is supposed to have been II./JG 51 or 5th or 6th St.

Cheers
Stig

robert · #3 16th September 2007, 21:15

Hi,

it`s a mount (white 1) of Olt.Josef Fozo CO of the 4/JG51 taken in October 1940.

Robert

Stig Jarlevik · #4 17th September 2007, 21:04

Thank's Robert

Any idea why the Staffelsign has been said to be from 1./JG 51??

Cheers
Stig

robert · #5 17th September 2007, 21:49

Hi,

at the early stage of war it was Mickey Mous on blue disk. It disappeared in late 1940.

Robert

Many Souffan · #6 17th September 2007, 22:55

Hello Robert.

There is 2 things
1/_ the staffel insignia of the 1./ JG 51 introduced by Douglas Pitcairn represented by the Micky Maus of the 3./J 88 (the last one) in a blue circle. When Douglas Pitcairn was replaced by H-F Joppien the 5th august 40 at the head of the 1./ JG 51, the new commander keep the insignia but add a white line surrounding the blue circle.

2/_ the insignia on the 109 of Fözö is the remembering of the legion Condor with the size as it was on the 109 in Spain,

At the iniative of Schmoller-haldy a pin was created for the pilots who served at the 3./ J 88. Some of them as Fözö, Schmoller-Haldy or Hubertus von Bonin continued to paint the Micky Maus in their 109 during 1940.

Thank you

Ps: If someone can help me for my book about this subject he will be welcomed

robert · #7 17th September 2007, 23:09

Hi Many,

the white outline was already in October 1939 (take a look at photo no.317 in Prien`s JFV Part 2). I think this emblem has 2 versions already as it was introduced. E.g. white 13 of Baer had emblem without this white outline.

Regards

Robert

Stig Jarlevik · #8 18th September 2007, 19:53

Thanks Guys
Stig

Many Souffan · #9 18th September 2007, 21:27

Hello Robert.

I have seen what you mean, But the white 5 of Joppien had also a big surrounding white line. Also in October , even, if the official insignia was without the big white line surrounding the insignia.

It is probable that Helmut Maul in white 12 was the wingman to Joppien.

The only thing I am sure that the official insignia was without the white surrounding the insignia and when Joppien replaced Douglas Pitcairn at the head of 1./ JG 51 the insignia changed with the add of the white line.

robert · #10 18th September 2007, 21:42

Hi,

so you mean Mickey Mous not the disk?
The problem is that I saw only few photos (white 2,7,13) taken in late summer 1940.

Regards

Robert

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