Cut out fabric swastika - from what plane

[emilitaria_usmc]

Attachment 1017

This stiff oilcloth panel measures 16 x 16 inches.
Diagonally the painted swastika measures 22.5 inches.

Attachment 1018

This is the reverse side.
What aircraft did this come off?
Any ideas as to it's value?

[Jon]

It could well be an original taken from a an early war trainer but be aware that in the 1970's a flood of fake aircraft insignia arrived on the market, many were "WW1" vintage but some were also done to represent WW2 German aircraft

[Ruy Horta]

It might be a good starting point to study the rib pattern on the back side. It might provides more information as to type than the front.

[fsbofk]

Are there any LW aircraft with a fabric-covered vertical fin - on which this swastika would have been painted? I can't think of any. In the early war years, the swastika was sometimes painted over both the fin and fabric-covered rudder, but that's not the case here. This looks suspect to me.

[stephen f. polyak]

When it comes to “surviving” tail panels, extra care must be taken with authentication; there have been many fakes on the market over the years. This is particularly true of cloth (vs metal) items. As noted, the back side of a panel often yields telling information. Judging from the pictures here, if this is a fake, it is one of the best I’ve ever seen in many years of collecting. My “gut” tells me it’s a good piece; but only a firsthand inspection would add confidence to that hunch. Some things to look for would be honest soiling and wear on both sides and aging of the paint to include cracking. The size suggests a light plane, perhaps a trainer. The use of cloth for covering fixed and moving tail surfaces was common on such types; e.g., Ar 66, Go 145, Bu 131 and Bu 133. And sometimes the full swastika was on the fin. As to value, all collectables are worth what someone will pay for them. That said, tail panels often get hundreds of dollars and sometimes more (right or wrong) in the militaria marketplace. Good luck!

[David Ransome]

Hi,
Same basic comment as Stephen, the fabric appears to be the correct colour - almost brick red - and it could very easily have come off a vertical tail section of one of the types that he mentions - it's a pity that there is no ID / provenance with it!

Regards

David

[Ruy Horta]

If you are capable of doing so, could you please edit the images in such a way that the ribbing is clearly marked in comparison to the Swastika, that way marking and "construction" can be matched more closely and consequently we can narrow down the potential candidates.

[stephen f. polyak]

While on the subject of fabric from tails, here's a piece now on eBay:
Item number: 300082240889

[emilitaria_usmc]

Originally Posted by Ruy Horta

If you are capable of doing so, could you please edit the images in such a way that the ribbing is clearly marked in comparison to the Swastika, that way marking and "construction" can be matched more closely and consequently we can narrow down the potential candidates.

The top picture, the swastika side, corresponds to page 1 of a book - left side is the binding, right side the outside edge.
The bottom pic, the oilskin side, corresponds to page 2 of a book, binding is now on the right side.
In other words, the left side of the swastika is the right side of the oilskin.
Also note that one of the four corners is cut off.
Just mentally flip the pictures and use the clipped corner to figure it out.