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Old 11th August 2009, 22:59
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I am trying to find out any information on the 3 Me-109's and 2 Fw-190's destroyed by Dave Schilling 56th FG on Dec 23, 1944. My question is what staffel, Gruppe or Jagdeschwader they came from. Most notably I need specifically to know about the last Fw-190 he shot down on that mission. What the markings were, what color A/C or if anyone knows who was flying the plane. Any info would be greatly appreciated!
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Old 11th August 2009, 23:44
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Re: Schillings 5 in a Day

Hello,
I will try to check some files for you, but do not promiss too much...
I understand that Col. Dave Schilling claimed his Bf 109 claims initially W of Bonn ( some 30 miles ), but then he changed heading several times.
My personal guess WSW of Bonn and WNW of Koblenz - around 11:45/12:10hs
Now we do have to try to match the LW losses on that area...
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Old 12th August 2009, 13:55
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Re: Schillings 5 in a Day

Mybee parts of IV./JG 27 (15. Staffel) and parts from JG 54. First used Bf 109 and lost Ofw. Heinrich Bartels (RK) near Villip. JG 54 flew Fw 190A-8.
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Old 12th August 2009, 15:40
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Re: Schillings 5 in a Day

Hans is perfectly correct!
" On 23 December, he ( BARTELS ) took off at 11:00 with his flight. His wingman was Oberfähnrich Rolf Brand. Gaining altitude they flew to the Köln – Bonn area. Over Bonn, at 7500 metres, they saw fuel tanks dropping in front of their noses. Those drop tanks came from P-47 fighters of the USAAF 56th Fighter Group "Red Noses" in pursuit of the aircraft flown by Heinz Rossinger (3 victories). Bartels promptly shot down one of the American fighters on Rossinger's tail. It was his 99th and last victory. Heinrich Bartels failed to return. 24 years later, on 26 January 1968, Bartels’ Bf 109 G-10 (W.Nr. 130 359) “Yellow 13” was found at Villip near Bad Godesberg. In the cockpit was the intact parachute..."
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