Flugzeugf. / Oberfähnrich Friedrich Ambros 27.07.1941

[Jagdkommando]

Hi,

Have 2 photos showing the wreck of an (presumably) Bf109 and the grave beside the wreck.
Maybe somebody can provide any information about Flugzeugf. / Oberfähnrich Friedrich Ambros, born 12.04.1922 and killed as a 19 year old on 27.07.1941, reason for crash, location, what unit and type of plane ??

Warmest regards,
Jagdkomm.

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Hallo Jagdkommando,

I have an entry for Ofhr. Friedrich Ambros in my database as following:

Bf 109E-4 WNr.5572 KB+LL 27.07.41 5.(S)/LG2 Ofhr. Friedrich Ambros (†), Luftkampf - Absturz, bei Wjordina - 100% +ge.B (E-7)

He was killed in aerial combat near Wjordina.

best regards,
Tomislav

[Jagdkommando]

Hi Tomislav,

Thanks for a really blitz-reply!! Very interesting as I have 2 photos of the wreck.
Can u say anything about what plane could have shot him down, and where is Wjordina located?? Russia ??

Warmest regards,
Jagdkomm.

[Thomas S.]

Hi Tomislav,

I have WNr. 5572 with KB+LK as an E-4/ B.
Am I wrong?

regards
Thomas

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Originally Posted by Thomas S.

I have WNr. 5572 with KB+LK as an E-4/ B.
Am I wrong?

Hello Thomas,

I can not confirm with 100% that the Stammkennzeichen is correct. Have you got the KB+LK from a primary source (Flugbuch, Verlustmeldung, NVM... etc)?

best regards,
Tomislav

[John Beaman]

Originally Posted by Tomislav Haramincic

Hallo Jagdkommando,

I have an entry for Ofhr. Friedrich Ambros in my database as following:

Bf 109E-4 WNr.5572 KB+LL 27.07.41 5.(S)/LG2 Ofhr. Friedrich Ambros (†), Luftkampf - Absturz, bei Wjordina - 100% +ge.B (E-7)

He was killed in aerial combat near Wjordina.

best regards,
Tomislav

Hi Tomislav:

I have the pilot as Ltn. Bernhard Ludwig: QM records. Where did you get your information?

THX

[Thomas S.]

@ Tomislav

I´m sorry, but I don´t have primary sources for my informations, only what I find in forums like this. But unfortunately I didn´t notice the source I´ve found this.
In my records I have the SKZ-series KB+LF (with WNr 5566) to KB+LLX (with WNr 5585).
My be, someone can confirm this.

Thomas

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Hello,

@ John
I think you are right about Lt. Bernard Ludwig. I've looked again in the GQM file and cross-checked it with the Volksbund data. Both confirmed that Lt. Bernhard Ludwig, born 17.04.1921 in Ischenrode, went missing on the 27.01.1941. The only difference is that the GQM file shows the unit as 6.(S)/LG2 (which again fits the yellow color marking of the plane), and according to the Volksbund data Ludwig was lost near Wassilewa and not Wjordina (could be close together or the same place with to different names - I didn't research this).
My initial data came from Mr. Prien's Jagdfliegerverbände series. I don't have my copy now with me, so it would be nice if someone would be kind enough to check this because it might be just a typo in my database.

@Thomas
If your Stammkenzeichen starts with KB+LF at Werknummer 5566, than my KB+LL fits WNr.5572.

5566 KB+LF
5567 ..+LG
5568 ..+LH
5569 ..+LI
5570 ..+LJ
5571 ..+LK
5572 KB+LL

best regards,
Tomislav

[Thomas S.]

@ Tomislav,

of course you are right. I missed one number in the row, but now I corrected this.
Sorry.

Thomas

[Jagdkommando]

Hi,

Thank you very much all of you for great detailed information.

Warmest regards,
Jagdkomm.