Galland special 109F-2 W.Nr.6711

[Flavio]

Dear all,

just to tell you what I found on e-bay:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Flugzeug-Abschuss...item4aa0dfe75f

Even if some photos of this very plane were already pubblished, I think for the first time we may see the W.Nr. 6711 and the total number of kill markings on the rudder, 94, that dates the photo after 18 november '41.

Flavio

[veltro]

Many thanks for the exceptional link!

It is also fascinating the way apparently used to label the two different "special" F-2s, that is with a number over the fuselage markings of Geschwader Kommodore (until another photo comes out, we must suppose that the F-2 with the wing MG FF 20mm was No. 2...).

[Flavio]

Originally Posted by veltro

Many thanks for the exceptional link!

It is also fascinating the way apparently used to label the two different "special" F-2s, that is with a number over the fuselage markings of Geschwader Kommodore (until another photo comes out, we must suppose that the F-2 with the wing MG FF 20mm was No. 2...).

Grazie Ferdinando,

I am doing some researches about Galland's 109 E and F types: right now these are the F-2 planes I suppose flown by Galland:

1- W.Nr. 6714 "<-+-" with 60 kill marks; standard armament.
2- W.Nr. 6750 "<-+-" with 69+15 kill marks; wing cannons. (4 dec 1941 cerimony).
3- W.Nr. unk "<-+-", MG 131s in the cowling, probably 69+15 kill marks like plane 2 (4 dec 1941 cerimony).
4- W.Nr. 6711 "<-1+-" with 94 kill marks; MG 131s in the cowling.
5- W.Nr.5776, "-+-" standard armament. probably no kill marks, crash landed on 21 June '41.
6- W.Nr. unk, "<-+-", MG 131s in the cowling but not plane 3 or 4.
7- W.Nr. unk, markings unk, MG 131s in the cowling but not plane 3, 4, 6
8- W.Nr 6713, no photos know, crash landed on 21 June '41.

Plane 6 and 8, or 7 and 8 could be the same plane.

So, as far as I know, Galland flew at least five different special 109F-2s, four with MG 131 cowling mounted and one with wing cannons.

Please may you add some details about the photo with wing cannon you quote?

Ciao,
Flavio

[veltro]

I am not quoting any other photo but the one you pointed at.

The only photographs I know of the wing cannon F-2 were those of the 4 dec 1941 ceremony which, AFAIK, were first published in the 'Messerschmitt "O-Nine" Gallery' book by Tom Hitchcock of 1973 (pagg. 84-85).

[mmoustaf]

Planes 3 and 4 might have been the same machine, they wear same mottling near the canopy. It looks as though Mickey mouse was painted later just before the ceremony.

[mmoustaf]

there are photos of 6713 shot down I will find them. On scalemodels.ru I have seen one

[Pilot]

Originally Posted by mmoustaf

there are photos of 6713 shot down I will find them. On scalemodels.ru I have seen one

Would you be kind to post link, please?

Cheers

[Flavio]

Originally Posted by mmoustaf

Planes 3 and 4 might have been the same machine, they wear same mottling near the canopy. It looks as though Mickey mouse was painted later just before the ceremony.

Hi mmoustaf,

I post two photos: on the left plane 3 (source Jagdwaffe Vol4 sect1), on the right plane 4 (E-bay auction): I suspect these were two different planes as the mottling around the canopy doesn’t seem the same.
Any way regarding plane 3 you are right , Mickey mouse was painted later just before the ceremony as there are photos of Plane 3 without the emblem.
Regards
Flavio