one Bf 110 (!) on eBay

[ouidjat]

Hi Guys,

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Nachtjagd-Flu...item58987b1f79

NJG 2, Taken in Leeuwarden. The machine in background seems to be (R4?)+NN.
You know I don't know; so:
- What type?
- What about the camouflage?
- Staffel and period?

PS: Holm's site is not very clear concerning the machines in use and aircrafts in strength doesn't match, so far, with what is said in NJG 2 main page ...

Thanks for your kind explanations and comments.

Regards, Franck.

[Adam]

And possibly of the same machine, but by the same seller, nonetheless:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Nachtjagd-Flu...item5898756095

[ouidjat]

Hi Adam,

And thank you! And a Stab machine, with score board and Wnr. Won't be difficult for the specialist of that kind of stuff!

Regards, Franck.

I'm looking on "Luftwaffe Colours - Nachtjager - Vol.1 - Luftwaffe Night Fighter Units 1939-1943". We have one all black R4+CC introduction page. Page 79 most probably the same machine than eBay picture (correction may be it's not ??+BB (?), but with rack under wings, captionned Bf110 E of III./NJG 2 when ours is most probably Stab II./NJG 2 (??). Am I wrong?

[Mikael Olrog]

Marcel Hogenhuis have on LEMB identified the Do 215 in the background as potentially carying the markings R4+MN of 5./NJG2.

[ouidjat]

Hi Mikael,
and thank you!
- I'm an outlaw on LEMB as everybody knows. But, it's not that important ...
- My main concern is Bf 109; that's the reason of (!) in this thread title.
- BUT, some times to times I get flashes on pictures, like that one.
- I can admit it's a Do 215 (B-2?) in background, why not?, and with pleasure.
- But this doesn't answer to my 1st question: Who flew this bird?.. since, thanks to Adam, whe have the unit, place, time (Yes, I think we have 1942) score board and WNr. ( I'm sure to be discussed).

Last, what about the camo? Is there any more recent available publication that the one I pointed? ( I must admit I have modeller reactions when watching this! )

Cheers, Franck.

[Jaap Woortman]

Originally Posted by ouidjat

Hi Guys,

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Nachtjagd-Flu...item58987b1f79

NJG 2, Taken in Leeuwarden.
Regards, Franck.

The open camouflaged bowed construction on the right does not look like Leeuwarden to me.

Jaap

[ouidjat]

Hi Jaap,

You are probably right, I don't know; I just can accept the writings on picture's back ...
Your comments does point the limits of Holm's present site I already talked about, without forgetting the most recent available up-to-date (if any) ... That's the reason - one of - this forum and others do exist.
As usual, one took a picture and put the caption years later.
So, If you're right, and supposing the camo did change in 1942, could it be Gilze Rijen?

What do you think?

Franck.

[Jaap Woortman]

Also Gilze-Rijen is not probable. As are Bergen, Deelen, Venlo, Volkel, Eindhoven, Havelte, Twente and Schiphol.
These kind of "open" shelters are not known in the Netherlands.
The only possible airfield with this kind of shelters was De Vlijt at Texel island. But that was not an Nachtjagd airfield.
Maybe this picture was taken at an airfield in Schleswig-Holstein?

Jaap

[John Vasco]

It's an 'E-1', W. Nr. 3420. Extended rear fuselage is consistent with the early 'E' production run.

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello all,

Jaap is right if this was an open arched hangar construction but another picture of the same grouping of aircraft (see Adam's posting above) shows a real Werfthalle and - aside - moveable camouflage constructions which could be placed in front of this hangar to turn the building into a sort of hill.

I believe to remember that this Bf110 had the chevron marking of the Ia of the II./NJG 2 which at that time was Oblt. Sigmund.

Jaap does certainly remember similar, yet straight sloped constructions from the Dutch Bergen airfield, made during an low level attack of Bostons (if I am correct) in front of a hangar there. This beautiful series of photo's is published in the Bergen book of Johan Schuurman.

All the best, Marcel