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Old 27th May 2013, 04:02
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Bf 109 G, W.Nr. 10438
Does anyone have any information for Bf 109 G, W.Nr. 10438? I thought I had this but apparently I don't. Thanks!

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Old 27th May 2013, 04:35
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Max-Hellmuth Ostermann, Bf-109G-2, WNr.10438, Black 1+, shot down a Russian Curtiss P-40 fighter for his 102nd, and last, victory, but shortly after was shot down and killed in a dogfight with Soviet fighter pilots in the vicinity of Amossovo.
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Hal, missed only one? Lucky guy!

09/9/1942: Bf 109 G-2; WNr.10438; 7./JG 54; Weisse 1+~; Oblt. Waldemar "Hein" Wübke, Stfkpt, (Wounded); Luftkampf mit Mig-3; Bruchlandung Fl.Pl. Mga; 15%.
15/01/1943: Bf 109G-2; WNr.10438; 7./JG 54; Blaue 1+~; Luftkampf with enemy fighter; 100%. Pilot Fw. Kurt Stöber, FSA. Pow.

Note: because of Wintertarn white numbers were painted blue on white camo, sometimes in JG 54 ...
Note: For NVM references ask the "good" guys.

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As for post #2 by Oberst: see post #7 by Jim P here: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...ight=Ostermann
Obviously HE is my source.

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So its down to whether its an '8' or a '4'.
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Hi, guys

Here is what I have - please note my comments with regards to the WNr in the loss of Ostermann:

Ostermann:

http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=103344

Stöber or Döge as per GenQu:

http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=103341

Wübke:

http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=103343

Maybe some NVM info can clear it up. Do not have them for JG 54.

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Andreas,

You gave the same link for Ostermann and Wübke!!!!

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Gentlemen,

Thank each of you very much for your input. We are indeed fortunate to have members who have access to such information at the click of a mouse...and are willing to share with those of us less connected.

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Don't mention it Hal.
As for me I do for you what "they" did for me during years. (Since October 2008!? My gooood!)
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