Luftwaffe nightfighter loss (losses?) 19th Nov 1943?

[wwrsimon]

Hello again everyone

I have another RAF Bomber Command combat report, this time from November 19th 1943, from Halifax II JD469 of 102 Sqn. The rear gunner claimed two Ju-88s at 20.06 and 20.15 hours, at a height of 15,000 feet, course 272º at 170 knots. The position for the second one is given as 50.55ºN, 05.20ºE, which is between Liege and Namur. (The position for the first is seemingly mis-typed, being given as 50.55ºN, 46.10ºE, which is somewhere NNE of Volgograd...).

The first Ju-88 attacked the Halifax from the rear and below, but the rear gunner returned fire, and the combat report states that the "enemy aircraft broke away to starboard and then burst into flames. Enemy aircraft was seen to explode on the ground by both gunners and the Engineer."

The second Ju-88 attacked the Halifax from the starboard beam and below, and the rear gunner once again returned fire. The Ju-88 "was seen to spin towards the earth with a motor on fire."

Are there any Luftwaffe losses that may tie in with the two claims?

Many thanks.

Regards

Simon

[wwrsimon]

Just a quick bump to see if anyone has any info.

Regards

Simon

[Stephen M. Fochuk]

http://www.wingleader.co.uk/shop/nac...ries-volume-2/

[Alain57]

Hello Simon ,

According to my info no JU-88 was lost over Belgium that night.

Regards
Alain57

[Chris Goss]

I researched this for my book on 102 Sqn. The crew of Flt Lt D H Phillips in JD469/DY-U claimed a probable at 2015 hrs and a destroyed 2006 hrs ; I could find no Luftwaffe loss

[Alain57]

Hello ,

Found something in the following books :

The book Nachtjagd War Diaries by Dr Theo Boiten says on page 301 that the reargunner of N° 102 squadron Halifax JD-469 shot down a Ju-88 west of Leverkussen at 20.06 hrs( The 1st Jagdkorps reported the loss of one BF-110.

The book Die personellen Verluste der deutschen Nachtjagdgeschwader 1940-1945 gives the following information

19-11-43
C9+RP Bf110
6/NJG5
Between Erfurt and Weimar

Steckert Hans Fw. pilot + Auerbach 07/01/1920
Schemm Heinrich Gefr. bordfunker + 07/05/1920 Heeren-Werve

“ Notlandung Explosion des Flugzeuges beim Aufsetzen auf einer Sturzacker “
“ Crashlanding in a plowed field , aircraft exploded “

Regards
Alain57

[Chris Goss]

This was lost on a non-combat mission and not due to enemy action and location is nowhere near Leverkusen

[Theo Boiten]

Hello Simon,

Checked this one, but no luck I'm afraid, no matching Nachtjagd losss found. Cheers, Theo