2 german planes belly-landed,Norway 1943

[Jagdkommando]

Dear researchers,

On 01.11.1943 one FW190 probably from JG5 bellylanded in Larvik,Norway and on 17.11.1943 one Bf 109,presumably also from JG5 belly-landed in Larvik. The distance between these 2 incidents is roundabout 5km.

One eyewitness that was the first one to run towards the FW190 after the pilot jumped out unhurt,told me that on the left side beneath the canopy it was painted a name : "LOLA". As far as he remembers the text was painted in red.
The FW190 also had a droptank he said that was crushed during the landing. He assumed the age of the pilot to be not more than 25 at the time. The witness remembers very well that the FW190 was full of oil,and the pilot also showed the witness by putting the oilpin into the engine to show him that it was empty. He also remembers that there was a specific instrument the pilot needed to remove from the cockpit before leaving the area with 2 german soldiers that came some time after the belly-landing. The pilot took up a metal item and tried to remove the screws,but failed. The eyewitness quickly understood that the pilot needed a screwdriver,so he went for one,and removed it for the pilot he says. Immediately after the pilot put the instrument in one of the thigh-pockets.

Does anyone have any idea what units these planes belonged to or the names of the pilots??
In advance,thanks.

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi.

I do not know what your sources are, but there seems to be a bit of a problem to find these in the german records....

I think maybe the dates and data are a bit incorrect.

On November 11th 1943, the following loss were recorded by I./JG 11, and the location given as Langesund. JG 5 has not recorded losses of a Bf 109 on this date as far as I have been able to see.

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=107262

Regarding the other date, the only loss I have been able to find that could match your given location would be this one:

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=107265

Of course, the location Hamna isnt very distinct!

Regards,
Andreas

[Jagdkommando]

Hi Andreas,

Before reading your reply,I found the exact same information like you did.
On 01.11.43 it says Langesund,but as Langesund is not far away from Nevlunghavn I have to assume that it is the same plane. According to a diary it was a FW190.
When it comes to the other incident on 17.11.45 the word "Hamna" is probably wrong. The name is actually Brunla,and it was a ME 109.
The dates are not incorrect at all as there are 2 different persons that wrote each the same date. One of them remembers very well that it was a FW190 due to the engine. Anyway if something is wrong regarding this 2 incidents it must be the name of the places,if not they are not registered at all. The FW190 that belly-landed flew together with another plane that circled above the belly-landed FW190 a couple of time,then returned in the direction they first were suppose to fly. The FW190 pilot on the ground went to his plane and tried to make radio-contact with the other plane to tell him that everything was O.K. but failed.
I'm very curious in finding out more about these 2 incidents.
Thanks Andreas

[flyvrak]

Hi
There is a place named Hamna at Syltefjord in Finnmark. There are supposed to be remains of a Bf 109 on the shore there. Going to check it out this summer.
regards Kjell

[Ruy Horta]

Kjell,

Very impressive site you run, amazing amount of wreckage and on location research!

Did you take all the photos yourself?

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi.

Well, my reason to state that it was difficult to find an exact match is that your original post has inverted the aircraft types (FW 190 on 17.11.1943 and Bf 109 on 01.11.1943).

I would also in most cases suspect that the Hamna we are talking about here is the location mentioned by Kjell, and we will probably know by this summer.

However... at the time we are talking about here, only a precious few aircraft from II./J.G.5 was in the Lfl.5 area. On November 10. 1943, almost all II./J.G.5 aircraft were already on their way to Luftflotte 1 operational area in the Baltic. Although delayed due to bad weather, the only aircraft from II./J.G.5 mentioned in the Lfl. 5 strength report of 10.11.1945 are the Schwarm known as Jagdkommando Nord, stationed at Alta. IF one or more of these were on their way south, it MIGHT have been lost on a transfer flight, but it could also be that the explanation is far easier, the Gruppe is wrongly recorded.

Also - the only aircraft mentioned that could fit in the entries for November 17th is a Bf 109 missing in the operational area West. This would be a reco aircraft, the loss entry record shown here:

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=107266

I think the Bf 109 loss then need further investigation.

Regards,
Andreas

[Jagdkommando]

Andreas,

Thanks for your inquiery. Think u have mixed the dates for the FW190. It was the FW190 that belly-landed on 01.11.1943 and the ME 109 belly-landed 17.11.1943 some few kilometers NE. I obviously wrote wrong in my first post. Sorry.
What more can we find out do u think??

Regards,
Jagdkommando

[mkb42h]

It sounds like the removed instrument would be the clock. I believe they were rather precious commodities.

[flyvrak]

Our trip to Hamna this summer was just another "heroic failure" Nice place but found no trace of airplane in the area. Also talked to a man there which had heard nothing about any forced landing on the beach.
regards Kjell

[JG53_Volto]

Congrats Kjell,
nice site & great photos!!!
Regards
Alessandro