Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 7th October 2023, 15:47
Henofred's Avatar
Henofred Henofred is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rennes, France
Posts: 509
Henofred is an unknown quantity at this point
Vannes-Meucon Airfield, France / July 1944 / Do-217 III./KG 100?

Hello/Bonjour,

No.1 Squadron which flew Spitfire reported a strafing on two Do-217s at Vannes-Meucon airfield, France, during a mission on July 25, 1944. Could these two bomber belong to III./KG 100 and have used the airfield as a staging ground? Before returning to Toulouse after operations on the front line... If that is indeed the case and if there have been other uses, I would be pleased to know the dates (or details), if known.

Best regards,
Frederic
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 7th October 2023, 23:52
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,274
Chris Goss has a spectacular aura aboutChris Goss has a spectacular aura about
Re: Vannes-Meucon Airfield, France / July 1944 / Do-217 III./KG 100?

The problem will always be that unless there are personnel casualties or mentions in diaries or Luftflotte reports, we will never get the true answer for 1944. I have found in recent research missed losses as the crew baled out without injury and aircraft lost on the ground from air attacks
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 8th October 2023, 09:14
Henofred's Avatar
Henofred Henofred is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rennes, France
Posts: 509
Henofred is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Vannes-Meucon Airfield, France / July 1944 / Do-217 III./KG 100?

Thanks Chris for this reply, and indeed, it is always the same problem with this lack of archives regarding year 1944.

My post was linked to a book excerpt (below) which suggested that Vannes-Meucon could have been a transit airfield, as this field - not far from where this aircrew seems to have been shot down - is well West of the route from Avranches to Toulouse-Francazal.

The crew of Uffz. August Stolzenberg (Do 217 M 11, 6N + DR, Werk. Nr. 2926) belonged to the 8. Staffel. The "very old crew" of Ofw. Konrad Doser also belonged to the 8. Staffel. Returning from a mission (note: Avranches), he was shot down near Vannes and killed. Only Bordmechaniker Fw. Walter Erhard, who was seriously wounded, survived. (Source: Ulf Balke,Kampfgeschwader 100 Wiking, Page 309)


Best regards,
Frederic
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 8th October 2023, 10:40
Nick Beale's Avatar
Nick Beale Nick Beale is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Exeter, England
Posts: 5,827
Nick Beale has a spectacular aura aboutNick Beale has a spectacular aura aboutNick Beale has a spectacular aura about
Re: Vannes-Meucon Airfield, France / July 1944 / Do-217 III./KG 100?

I'd say this was a possibility since III./KG 100 had operated 14 Do 217 against Allied ships west of Brest on the night of the 24/25th but I have no information about any aircraft landing away from their home airfields.
__________________
Nick Beale
http://www.ghostbombers.com
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 8th October 2023, 10:48
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,274
Chris Goss has a spectacular aura aboutChris Goss has a spectacular aura about
Re: Vannes-Meucon Airfield, France / July 1944 / Do-217 III./KG 100?

From my book:

Two Do 217s were claimed by Mosquitoes that night. The first by Sqn Ldr Dean Somerville of 410 Sqn who claimed a Do 217 six mile north-west of Pontorson which crashed vertically into the ground at 2255 hrs. Then at 2305 hrs, Flt Lt Allen Browne of 488 Sqn claimed a Do 217 which crashed four miles east of Avranches at 2305 hrs. 8./KG 100 recorded losing two Do 217M-11s flown by Uffz August Stolzenberg and Deutsches Kreuz in Gold winner Ofw Konrad Doser, the latter aircraft crashing north of Vannes. The dates of death of the three crew killed from this aircraft were recorded as being 2, 3 and 4 August 1944!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 8th October 2023, 11:44
Henofred's Avatar
Henofred Henofred is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rennes, France
Posts: 509
Henofred is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Vannes-Meucon Airfield, France / July 1944 / Do-217 III./KG 100?

Without having further details, let's consider this as been a possibility, as aircraft from this group were operating at that time of the months (late July - early August) in the "Avranches" area to prevent the Americans from penetrating Brittany.

Thanks to you both,
Frederic
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 8th October 2023, 12:02
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,274
Chris Goss has a spectacular aura aboutChris Goss has a spectacular aura about
Re: Vannes-Meucon Airfield, France / July 1944 / Do-217 III./KG 100?

Possibility indeed but if you look at my book on the Do 217, you will see that much was going on then and was somewhat confused. Their time on the ground for refuelling (normally did then on the way there) would have been minimal and the only reason they were there in daylight would have been unserviceability
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 8th October 2023, 13:31
Henofred's Avatar
Henofred Henofred is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rennes, France
Posts: 509
Henofred is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Vannes-Meucon Airfield, France / July 1944 / Do-217 III./KG 100?

I agree, especially as the attack on these two "unserviceable" planes took place in the early afternoon. By the way, do we know where Ofw. Doser's Do 217 crashed? Other than "north of Vannes". Regarding the shift in days, it seems that Fw. Erhardt died later from his injuries.

Best regards,
Frederic
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 8th October 2023, 13:56
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,274
Chris Goss has a spectacular aura aboutChris Goss has a spectacular aura about
Re: Vannes-Meucon Airfield, France / July 1944 / Do-217 III./KG 100?

VDK and NVM give no exact location
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 8th October 2023, 13:59
Henofred's Avatar
Henofred Henofred is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rennes, France
Posts: 509
Henofred is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Vannes-Meucon Airfield, France / July 1944 / Do-217 III./KG 100?

Merci beaucoup Chris.

Best regards,
Frederic
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Friendly fire WWII Brian Allied and Soviet Air Forces 803 8th July 2023 15:47
Another research for Tours area (France) : a recon mission 11 July 1944 : canonne Allied and Soviet Air Forces 3 1st February 2023 19:51
Lost Ju 52s in January, 1945 HGabor Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 4 11th March 2013 16:34
Memphis Belle Jim Oxley Allied and Soviet Air Forces 10 8th February 2008 01:48
P38 Action over France for july 14 1944 Stephane Muret Allied and Soviet Air Forces 2 15th March 2005 09:18


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 17:41.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net