All-black captured Mustang?

[Skyraider3D]

Any truth in this?

http://www.brooksart.com/Tuskegeethunder.html

[Graham Boak]

I suspect it is meant to be dark green, not black.

There is unlikely to be any truth in it.

[Simon Schatz]

canceled my post, as I didn't read the full text below the picture, and my answer had nothing to do with your question.

BTW: Never seen a all-black Mustangs!

Cheers, Simon

[shooshoobaby]

Sky -
Summer of 1944 , My Dad spotted a " Black " Mustang flying East over Germany. He was ordered by Sq. Leader Tommy Hayes to investigate.
Weather was Dark , Rainy , Cloudy.
The Mustang evaded and ducked into clouds . He was then told to shoot him down. Dad got a few shots but lost him in Clouds and had to return as fuel was Low.
My Neighbor , Kelly Gross , 354th FG Ace , also encountered a " Black "
Mustang and chased him for awhile , It was a Dark , Rainy Day.
A 100th BG Crew also reported a " Black " Mustang approached them on a Mission but did not attack.
I showed them Pictures of German P - 51 T9 - CK , Painted Dark Green, and they agreed it could be it as They both encountered it in Dark Skies.
Dad - John C. Howell 357th FG , 364th Sq. P - 51 " SHOO SHOO BABY ".
Mike Howell

[Graham Boak]

Indeed, but encountering it over Germany is not the same thing as finding it shadowing the bomber formation.

[Skyraider3D]

Thanks for the comments, guys.

Graham, Mike, indeed the Mustang would most likely have been dark green. The Luftwaffe's dark green colours were very often mistaken for black. To illustrate, I have a number of encounter reports from interceptions of Fw 200s and Bv 138s by FAA Wildcats (Martlets). FAA encounter reports have a field where the pilot can make comments on the enemy aircraft's camouflage and markings. Indeed many of them say their opponent had all-black camouflage.

Simon please post that link again! It wasn't terribly relevant, but it was very interesting nonetheless!

[Skyraider3D]

O nevermind Simon, I already found it with Google: http://www.af.mil/shared/media/docum...070207-059.pdf

[Skyraider3D]

While were on the topic of the Tuskegee airmen anyway, what's the story behind the claim for an Me 109 damaged on 9 June 1945? I assume this is a typo (1944), seeing as the aircraft flown was a P-47 as well as the date being post-war otherwise...
http://www.tuskegeeairmen.org/uploads/stats.pdf (right at the bottom of page 7)

[O.Menu]

Note also that yellow nose reactor entrance for Me 262 never existed... Clear entrance on B&W photo means nude metal and not yellow as far as i know...

[veltro]

If I can add my humble opinion to this thread, I'd like to say that there is nothing more unreliable than eyewitness accounts during or after a dogfight or any aerial combat.

Adrenaline, fear, speed, need to scan all the sky to avoid the famous "enemy at 6 o'clock", all contributed to lots of completely wrong sightings, type IDs, or camouflage & markings notes...!

Even in combats where it has been possible to positively determine the protagonists and the developments of the facts, the original reports very often narrates completely wrong data, numbers and results.

Speaking of colors, many of us certainly recall the fantasious color description of Bf 109 and Fw190 camouflages (including the mythical "all yellow 190"...) in the otherwise wonderful "The Big Show" by Pierre Clostermann.

Thus, considering all this and the many accounts examined, I dare to say that to take a colour ID during a combat as a starting point is a very fragile base IMHO, or at least something that should be taken with a very huge pinch of salt.

Of course, this is only my point of view...