Need help to recognize 2 Bf110 pilots:

[Evgeny Velichko]

It seems that left is Johannes Lutter, right is Gunther Tonne.

http://www.luftwaffe39-45.historia.n...ses/lutter.jpg

http://www.luftwaffe39-45.historia.n...ne_gunther.jpg

Am I right?

[mmoustaf]

That's right. Bf 110 is Q1+VB from II/ZG1

[Evgeny Velichko]

I am just cureous about emblem: was it emblem of Stab II./ZG 1, or some staffel of II./ZG 1, or some personal emblem of pilot...

[John Vasco]

I don't know of a single aircraft of ZG 1 being lost or damaged with the unit code 'Q1'...

[mmoustaf]

Originally Posted by John Vasco

I don't know of a single aircraft of ZG 1 being lost or damaged with the unit code 'Q1'...

Hello John! I have just read your book about ZG1 and I'am very pleased to do it. Would You mind to sign it for me?

So.
What would You say about some other photos with the same plane? Q1+VB. Some sources stay for NaGr 1 but look at Tonne's photo by the author of the topic and look at mine:

You see the same plane. Also please note 12/StG 77 emblem. I have also 4 photos from another side where Q1+VB is recognised.

Lutter and Tonne - are of ZG1, right? Another mystery?

[mmoustaf]

[John Vasco]

mmoustaf,

It's obviously not uncommon for several units to be based on the same airfield. What also happened was that aircraft were transferred between units, or moved from a unit to a repair facility, and then on to another unit. I have a photo in my Classic book volume 2 on the Bf 110 which shows a Bf 110 with the Erprobungsgruppe 210 emblem slightly overlapped with the II./ZG 76 sharksmouth emblem. Also in the same book 2./Auf. Gr. 14 Bf 110s can be see with the emblem of 2./Auf. Gr. 123.

I know Barry Rosch's book says that 'Q1' was a ZG 1 code, but I would preach caution on that point.

If we ever meet up I would gladly sign your book for you.

Regards,

John Vasco

[Evgeny Velichko]

THX John for Your reply.

But what do You think about the pilots? Are they Tonne and Lutter?

[Del Davis]

This Me110 and at least one Ju88 with similar markings ( skeleton hand and the black head signifying Schwartzkopf, the original Kommodore of StG77 ) were originally flown by the Stabstaffel of StG77. They were then transferred to NAG1 in Roumania in 1944. I therefore rather doubt that either of these pilots are the ones that you named. The aircraft were covered in an article in Jet & Prop in the last 2 years.