Does anyone have info/photo of Bob Holland 92 Squadron 1940

[gedburke3]

Hi all,
I am looking for a photograph of Bob Holland who flew with 92 Squadron in 1940. I am also trying to discover the individual aircraft letter and serial number of the Spitfire he was shot down in on September 15th 1940.
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
Gerry

[steve sheridan]

Hi Ged, Holland was shot down in Spitfire serial R6606 west of Ashford, Kent 2.50pm. Sorry no a/c code known.

Best regs,
Steve.

[Revi16]

Here's what I have found,

http://www.the-battle-of-britain.co....rons/92sqn.htm

http://hsgalleries.com/spitfireidt_2.htm

On this page, http://www.battleofbritain.net/0042.html I found this, but I believe the S/N is wrong. R6606 lived on until 1943 ( see webpages below).

1450hrs: Ashford. Spitfire R6606. 92 Squadron Biggin Hill
P/O R.H.Holland slight injuries. (Injuries sustained on landing after baling out of damaged aircraft)


http://www.gairney.plus.com/Aircraft..._of_Honour.htm

O’Neill J.V. Sgt.R135199RCAF17-2-43Spitfire R6606 West Cairn Hill, Pentlands, Midlothian.Aircraft crashed into hill, Sgt O’Neill an American aged 23 was serving with the R.C.A.F. was buried at Grangemouth Grandsable Cemetery. Age 23


This may be a different Holland,

http://www.spitfires.ukf.net/p003.htm


N3173 Ia 415 EA MIII FF 13-11-39 6MU 15-11-39 54S 9-3-40 AST 2-9-40 152S 20-9-40 shot down by He111 crashed 11.50hrs nr Wolverhampton Sgt Holland killed C3 25-9-40


Regards,
Mike

[gedburke3]

Thanks to both Steve and Mike for their help.
I have checked The Battle of Britain then and now to confirm the serial number of R6606. I'm not so sure now though, especially after seeing R6606 still flying much later in the war!
Anyhow, I will continue to look.
Best wishes
Gerry

[paulmcmillan]

R6606 was being flown by by P/O A C Bartley when it forced landed west of Ashford on 15.9.40 NOT Holland

[Revi16]

Originally Posted by paulmcmillan

"1450hrs: Ashford. Spitfire R6606. 92 Squadron Biggin Hill
P/O R.H.Holland slight injuries. (Injuries sustained on landing after baling out of damaged aircraft)"

I think you will find he may have forced landed west of Ashford on 15.9.40

I interpreted it as meaning "Holland sustained injuries upon landing in his parachute" after bailing out of a/c.

The history of R6606 doesn't show it assigned to 92 Squadron. It does show it assigned to 74 Squadron on 10-6-40, but it did receive C3 damage on 15-9-40, http://www.spitfires.ukf.net/p009.htm

R6606 Ia 691 EA MIII FF 13-5-40 9MU 15-5-40 238S 19-5-40 FACB 10-6-40 AST 74S 1-9-40 C3 ops 15-9-40 61OTU 1-7-41 53OTU 23-6-42 58OTU 28-1-43 flew into high ground West Cairn Hill Midlothian CE 17-2-43 SOC FH296.30

Who knows?

Regards,
Mike

[paulmcmillan]

Mike

I did some further reasearch after my original post and edited it and found out Holland was not on R6606

R6606 was being flown by by P/O A C Bartley of 74 Sqn when it forced landed west of Ashford on 15.9.40 NOT Bob Holland of 92 Sqn

So we are still looking for a 92 Sqn Spitfire loss on 15-9-40 for Holland

[gedburke3]

Hi Paul,
Tony Bartley flew with 92 not 74 Squadron. He was indeed involved in an incident on September 15th when he returned to base in Spitfire P9513 which had been damaged after combat with Do17's near Ashford.
I am still fairly sure that Hollands Spitfire was R6606.
Cheers
Gerry

[Revi16]

Usually there's not enough information, now it seems there's to much. Perhaps a date has been transposed or a name inputted in error?

P9513,

P9513 Ia 655 EA MIII FF 23-4-40 12MU 4-5-40 249S 19-5-40 92S 7-7-40 shot down by Bf109 force-landed Hawkinge P/O Wade safe 15-9-40 152S 21-10-40 452S 8-5-41 313S 'RY-X' 21-5-41 61OTU 14-8-41 53OTU 11-1-42 struck by N3247 while parked CE 12-4-42 SOC 14-4-42

R6606,

R6606 Ia 691 EA MIII FF 13-5-40 9MU 15-5-40 238S 19-5-40 FACB 10-6-40 AST 74S 1-9-40 C3 ops 15-9-40 61OTU 1-7-41 53OTU 23-6-42 58OTU 28-1-43 flew into high ground West Cairn Hill Midlothian CE 17-2-43 SOC FH296.30

P9454,

P9454 Ia 617 EA MIII FF 6-4-40 8MU 8-4-40 92S 4-6-40 engine failed force-landed in bog nr Cardiff P/O Bartley safe 5-7-40 1CRU 65S 26-8-40 shot down over Tilehurst Sussex aircraft abandoned dbf 1-12-40

N3283,

N3283 Ia 498 EA MIII FF 10-1-40 24MU 22-1-40 234S 25-4-40 ASTH 30-5-40 92S shot down by Bf109 nr Gravesend P/O Bartley safe 18-9-40 Scottish Aviation 53OTU 17-7-41 FAAC 18-12-41 AST 76MU 28-9-42 City of Evansville 9-10-42 Port Sudan 23-12-42 Middle East 31-12-42 SOC 27-7-44


Regards,
Mike

[paulmcmillan]

Gerry, my references are as follows:

P9513

Air Britain Aeromilitaria Spring 2007 page 27 has P9513 to 92 Sqn on 7.7.40 and forcelanded Hawkridge, Cat 2 15.9.40 (P/O T S Wade OK) to AST (Air Services for repair) 19.9.40;

R6606

Air Britain Aeromilitaria Autumn 2007 page 122 has R6606 to 74 Sqn on 1.9.40, shot down west of Asford Cat FB/3. 15.9.40 (P/O Anthony Charles Bartley slightly injured) to General Aircraft (for repair) 15.11.40;


Notes: I know the Movement card says 74 Sqn and Fighter Command Losses (FCL) says 92 Sqn & Holland - But FCL also says Holland - Bailed Out, which could not happened.

Other options include R6600 which reportedly had a crash landing on this date 15.9.40 (the assumption is this happened at AST, where it was after an accident on 19.8.40 while with 602 Sqn) - but if this was the case, why was it then sent to Scottish Aviation (i.e another repair agency) on 17.9.40, so the other assumption could have been re-issued to another Sqn and this was not recorded on the Movement Card

Wade was with 92 Sqn

BTW Trivia.. Anthony Charles Bartley (who I accept was in 92 Sqn) was Deborah Kerr's first husband