Asso 39-45

[RT]

This time for 1941

Do17 /217/ Kgr.606 60 % at Brest-guipavas 19.febr.

Bf109E-7 4939 Fw Bouillon KIA 7.JG77 20.Febr.

BF109E-7 8.april Ofhr Reeh 5.JG26 this one puzzling by the Wn. orig. doc gave 7254 an F-4 pretty soon for this type + II.JG26 seems late to convert on F, 2757 or 2759 suggested by the site seems quite old planes for this time...

Remi

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Hello Remi,

Here are the losses

Bf 109E-7 WNr.4939 20.02.41 7./JG77 Fw. Helmut Bouillon (†), Ju88 der 3.(F)/121 angegriffen und von dieser abgeschossen - Absturz, Morlaix - 100%
Bf 109E-7 WNr.2754 08.04.41 5./JG26 Obgefr. Horst Reeh (†), Luftkampf mit Blenheim - Absturz, Lannion N Morlaix - 100%

Fw. Bouillon attacked by mistake a frendly Ju88 and was shot down. WNr.2754 was originally an E-3 from Mtt Regensburg production.

best regard,
Tomi

[RT]

Hello Tomi,

Are these the original losses reported, or amended , or other source than GQG returns ???

REMI

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Hello,

The losses are initial GQM losses ammended or corrected with Dr. Priens JFV series.

[RT]

der gute Doktor,

thks Tomi, more nd more I realize that the usual loss list is full of holes, not speaking for the accuracy..

remi

[Jim P.]

Try and find the losses for the Stukas from St.G. 1 that have appeared in several publications with the rather large holes in them from the Malta Flak. (one was Mahlke's machine, the other another RK winner). In another incident, this time from Crete, one crew was shot down and paddled around the Med for a couple of days before being picked up. Not mentioned in the losses - I think this was mentioned in the Bruetting book on Stuka aces. The pilot, whose name I can't recall, was an eventual RK winner.

[Franek Grabowski]

Excellent! I hope this could be start for a serious discussion about accuracy of German loss reports. I and my friend we have once calculated an average proportion of pilots killed to Spitfires lost on operational missions, and compared to such ratio of Me 109s lost in 1941. It was striking observation that only few Me 109s were written off without killing the pilot.

[robert]

Hi,

I think you are making a mistake due to your limited knowledge about Luftwaffe. I counted some 111 cases in whole 1941 when the Bf109 fighters were lost or returned damaged without killing their pilots.

Regards

Robert

[Franek Grabowski]

I think you just have a limited reading capability. I wrote written off and not damaged, and compared to killed airmen! Thus said your number of 111 aircraft serves no purpose. Otherwise do not spoil the discussion.

[robert]

It`s only statistic, which doesn`t prove that the Luftwaffe losses are incomplete. And this number included also many lost Bf109 fighters without killed pilots.

Robert