8 okt. JG53+JG76

[RT]

On operation at that date 39 Bf109 of the JG53 engaged P47 Lunéville north, they claimed 8 effectively shot-up , so no real claims, they lost 3 planes shot-down + 3 bellylandings
III.JG76 with 18 Bf109 engaged P47, they claimed 4 shot-down for only one loss.

Who has the conterparts figures ??

Remi

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Hello Remi,

I can help you only with two losses with known Werknummer,

Bf 109G-14/AS WNr.166308 08.10.44 Stab II./JG53 Uffz. Günther Mielcarek (verw.), Luftkampf mit P-47 - Absturz, FSA, Raum Chateau Salins - 100% sw.<2−+−
Bf 109G-14 WNr.461492 08.10.44 6./JG53 Uffz. Walter Voswinkel († - auf dem Rhein aufgekommen und ertrunken), Luftkampf mit P-47 - Absturz, FSA, S Worms - 100% ge.3+−

best regards,
Tomi

[CENTURION]

Hello Remi,



Here is what I was able to find:

• it seems that JG53 was involved in two dogfights that day. The first one near Lunéville with a claim of one P47 @ 15:04 by Oblt Hammer of the 6/JG53 (according to Prien, two additional P-47 were claimed by the II/JG53 and Stab/JG53, with no additional details). Thery were in combat with the 367th FS of the 358th FG which claimed, between 15:00 and 15:10 and 8 miles noth-west of Chateau-Salins (near Lunéville), 1 Me-109 shot-down, 1 probable and 1 damaged. MACR does not show any loss.
• The second dogfight took place apparently near Worms. The JG53 was in combat with P-47s of the 406 FG. 12 P-47 of the 512 FS, which were to attack the Biblis airfield, attacked by surpise 4 Me-109 during landing at about 15:30 and shoot them down, for no losses. 1/Lt. Sanders of 514 FS of the same Group claimed another Me-109 near Biblis at the same time.
• JG76 was probably in combat with P47 of the 313 FS of the 50th FG which claimed one Me-109 near Freiburg @ 16:55. MACR does not show any loss.

I wonder if you can provide the detailes of the losses suffered by JG53 that day not listed in Tomi message and the one of JG76.


Best Regards
Marco

[RT]

Not much to add to what wrote Tomi,


ST JG53 Château-salins raum A LFK P47 BF109G-14AS 166308 <Sw2+- 100 x Mielcareck günter uf f-FSA
6 JG53 Worms sud, A LFK P47 abstürtz am Rhein ertrunken BF109G-14 461492 Ge3+- 100 x Voswinkel walter uf f-FSA am rhein ertrunken
JG53 Lunéville N, A LFK P47 BF109G 100 unv, f FSA
JG53 X X BF109G Gemeldete als vermisst
JG53 X BA LFK P47 BF109G unv,
JG53 X BA LFK P47 BF109G unv,
JG53 X BA LFK P47 BF109G unv,
III JG76 Mühlhausen nördl, A LFK 15x P47 BF109G 100 unv, f FSA

[CENTURION]

Hello Remi,

thank you for the info.


Marco