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Old 11th January 2009, 17:31
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Heinkel He70

Hi...

Can anyone tell me if the He70 had dihedral on the outer wing sections, please? I am building a kit of this machine and the outer wing sections appear alarmingly 'level', and was wondering if this was correct or if the wings should have some degree of dihedral. A 'head-on' front view would be very much welcomed, if anyone could provide it.

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Old 11th January 2009, 21:57
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Re: Heinkel He70

Paul,

Yes some anhidral on the inboard sections wirh dihedral on the outboard sections.

See http://www.wiki.luftwaffedata.co.uk/...itle=Downloads and look for The Blitz - Heinkel's Elegent Trendsetter.

This download contains an article on the He 70 and its derivatives. This article first appeared in Air International of Feb 1975. The artical contains three view diagrams (including a head-on view), a cut-away and is 9 pages long.

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Re: Heinkel He70

Andy...

Thank you very much for that information. I appreciate you taking the time to look it out for me... .

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Re: Heinkel He70

Further to my initial request, I'm now looking for a standard 'splinter' camouflage RLM70/71/65 for this aircraft, if such a thing exists.

I am aware that some machines were apparently only painted with one dark green shade on the uppersurfaces, but I notice from various sources, online and in print, that the port side seems to have a documented 'splinter' pattern although from where this derives remains a mystery, and would be interested to see the starboard side and uppersurface layout of this scheme.

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Re: Heinkel He70

There was only one basic camouflage pattern, each type just fitting slightly differently onto it. So knowing part of a pattern for any given type, it is possible to extrapolate to the whole - not allowing for any minor aberrations at the factory, of course. The basic pattern has been published in a number of sources: the Kookaburra guides come to mind. If you don't have that then try peering at patterns of Ju 88s, He 111 and the like, and working out how the known He 70 pattern fitted. It might help to do this on squared paper, as the original.
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Re: Heinkel He70

Hi, Graham...

Thanks for your reply. I know what you're getting at, it's just that the He70 patterns I've seen do not fit the standard layout of a 70/71/65 scheme. If it was only that easy...

The Russian Wings Palette site and Barry Rosch's publication on Luftwaffe schemes and markings both show a non-standard 'splinter' pattern that doesn't fit the norm, and only shows the port side profile. So, I can't be sure that the starboard side or upper wings and tailplane follow the standard layout either. Unfortunately, neither source shows where their representation of the scheme came from, and almost without exception, the photos and pictures I've seen are either pre-war with the well-known black fuselage trim, or very hazy or unclear camouflaged machines, but sufficiently clear to see they are two different uppersurface shades. The mystery continues...

Thanks again, though, for your input.

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Re: Heinkel He70

Rosch's GP+AA can be seen in Fleuret's replacement volume 1 for the Kookburra series, though the photo is not terribly helpful. The same portside pattern can be seen in the Spanish Perfiles Aeronauticos 3 He 70. I'm not sure the photos available in these sources, and Merrick's original Kookaburra Vol.1, completely confirm the pattern, other than perhaps around the cockpit.
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not to common shot of the He 70. Maybe of intrest
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Re: Heinkel He70

It appears to me that the upper surface is camouflaged in three colours. Am I right? If yes, what would be the colours?
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Re: Heinkel He70

Snautzer/Dénes...

Thanks for your postings. Yes, I have seen this photos before... as much a mystery as the RLM70/71 layout. Pre-war I would say, with the 5-character code, but I too, think that this is a three-colour scheme. All the He70s I've seen with three colours have been operational with either Spanish or Hungarian units. Would make an interesting modelling subject, though... .

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