Photos 4-18 - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

edwest · #1 19th April 2009, 05:33

Peter Kassak · #2 19th April 2009, 14:46

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=380117988278

B-17 463.BG/ 775.BS lost Feb 25, 1944 with crew of D. Mateske
crashed at Theresienfeld, AU

Kari Lumppio · #3 20th April 2009, 11:42

Hello!

This Fw 190 A(-5 or -6) photo is very interesting:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=220397425726

Could this be the "white 2" of Herbert Aloe 4./JG 54 who was shot down June 21st, 1944 near Viipuri?

Certainly the plane has all the attributes for II/JG 54. Later in the Summer the yellow fuselage band upper part was usually painted over, though. This photo might have been taken at Petseri (Pechory) May 1944?

Loss of Aloe and Knöbel has been discussed earlier in thread "IL-2 vs JG 54" at the forum:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=8799

Cheers,
Kari

markjsheppard · #4 21st April 2009, 13:45

Some nice photos

4 Hurricanes salvaged from France and on the docks ready to return to the UK. Assuming German photo - they never made it back.
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=170322431762

Just had another look - P3359 ?U-T or P3559??

Also photos of 4 different Battles down in France - I doubt anything new?

Fw190 A-5 of 4./JG54. Not sure of time period - late 43 or 44 seems best.

This A-5 is similar to Fw190A-5 1227 'White A' or 4./JG54 (July 1943) now with PAul Allen and nearing completion. Outer MG/FF's deleted and flat cover with small raised section (not as per large bulge with cannon magazine). Would say it is 01511?? or 01512?? block. Did not carry II horizontal bar in summer 43 and were attached to the new IV Gruppe.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=220397425726
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=220397425015

Also had an engine change and no ETC centreline rack (+ inner wheel covers are there. Is May 1944 too late?

Nice photo though.

regards

MS

Kari Lumppio · #5 21st April 2009, 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by markjsheppard

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=220397425726
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=220397425015

Also had an engine change and no ETC centreline rack (+ inner wheel covers are there. Is May 1944 too late?

Hello!

Thanks for additional info.

I also have second thoughts about my timing. Summer 1944 4. and 5./JG 54 Fw 190s had mostly white (or light colour) spinner with black (dark) spiral. All dark spinners do point to year 1943. Late 1943 is probable.

Even with this timing it could be the same "2" flown by Aloe June 1944. In theory at least.

Cheers,
Kari

markjsheppard · #6 21st April 2009, 15:28

Kari

Hope you are well.

Is it 4./JG54 or 6./JG54? Trying to work out whether white or yellow.

Possibly September/October 1943.

Could well be Aloe's aircraft as this was Fw190 A-5 W.Nr 15(0)1214 which is in one of the other blocks for these Fw190's with deleted outer cannons.

I thought the block was 01 5 1227. (Stkz DG+HO). (01- A model, 5 for type and W.Nr1227) Aloes plane was a sister ship. 01 5 1214 and (Stkz DG+HB). Sure there is a photos of this group of Fw190s including DG+HD which had trop filters and a bomb rack. Will have to dig it out.

Catch up with you soon

regards

Mark

Bernard · #7 23rd April 2009, 08:38

Good morning,

About this photo:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=170322431762

The Hurricane on the right is most certainly No 111 Squadron JU-T
P3669.

"ROYAL AIR FORCE AIRCRAFT
P1000 - R9999
AIR BRITAIN
James J Halley":
P3669 6OTU/111
Taxied into gun position and tipped up; abandonned Dreux,8.6.40.

Regards.

Bernard.

markjsheppard · #8 23rd April 2009, 23:51

Barnard

The Battle of France - Then and Now has it as the 9th June 1940

Landing to refuel - Sgt R Carnall uninjured 111Sqn. Aircraft damaged but repairable.

Any idea of the code on thesecnd from the left - Odd C or Q?

regards

Mark

Bernard · #9 24th April 2009, 10:44

Hello Mark,

Well I really can't say, I cannot read it properly.

Regards.

Bernard.

yumimoto · #10 15th May 2009, 10:20

Gentlemen,
i found the solution:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=390049895221
It is TP-Q. I asked the seller for the serial and he read ..545.
It could be P2545 that was used later by Überführungskommando in Joachimstal 29.04.1943 (information from: Hurricane w obcej sluzbie - Hurricane in Foreign Service by Miroslaw Wawrzynski, AJaKS, page 26).
Regards
yumimoto

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