Staffel required

[byron-]

I have information about a crew of I./ K.G. 54

FF. Uffz. Fischer, Ju 88 A4 (W.Nr. 5660) 100% m. BO. Fw. Bevermann, BS. Gfr. Auerbach, alle (v.) Notlandung See, 07.09.42 bei Iraklion Kreta,


but neither Radtke nor Q.Meister 6 mentions in which Staffel they belonged.


Any vornames of the crew ?

[Stig Jarlevik]

Byron

I checked Radtke (don't have Q.Meister reports myself) and he does not list any WNr 5660, but WNr 5560 which crashed due to engine failure and force landed in the Med off Iraklion. Cannot say which one of you who has got the WNr wrong, but it seems to be the same aeroplane. IF it is it did not belong to any Staffel at all but to the Stab of the I./Gruppe, check Radtke on page 355

Cheers
Stig

[byron-]

Hello Stig,

I `ve seen page 355, you could have right about the W.Nr. (some Q.M. pages are often not easy to read). Also the date supports your opinion.
But, what confuses me is the name of the pilot.
Radtke is speaking of Oblt. Palliardi, not Fischer.

[byron-]

That`s what i `m talking about

[Stig Jarlevik]

Byron

No idea from where Radtke got his details. What I can surmise, since the Ju 88 usually carried a four-man crew and your list only states three individuals, is that Radtke somewhere found the fourth guy. But he could also just simply be wrong....
By the way, when did Luftwaffe change their multiseat practice that the actual pilot did not need to be in command of the aeroplane? This date we have here sounds too late for that, but otherwise the Oberleutnant did not necessarily have to be the pilot.

If your scan is the Quarter Master report, it certainly looks like you got one point and Radtke nill!

Cheers
Stig

[byron-]

@ Stig,

All writers can have wrong infos in their books,that is unavoidable, so Radtke.
I noticed in his book a lot of Staffeldefinitions that don`t match with the code letters.
That naturely can happen, but so often?

Tell me your oppinion about that

[RudiS]

Hi Byron,

one explanation is that a Staffel would have a full operational aircraft, but no crew to man it (due to injuries f.e.) while another Staffel of the same Group would have a crew ready for duty, but no operational aircraft due to maintenance or repair.

So a crew of one Staffel could fly another Staffel's aircraft.

This of course doesn't make things any easier researchers.

Kind regards,
Rudi.

[RudiS]

Having a second look on Radtke's loss list, I've found the following:

- concerning FF Oblt Palliardi:
11 Oct 42 : B3+MH : 1./KG 54
09 Nov 42 : B3+BB : St I./KG 54

-> So Oblt Palliardi definitely could have been part of St I./KG 54 on 07 Sep 42

- concerning FF Uffz Fischer :
15 May 41 : B3+HH : 1./KG 54 : FF Oblt Arno Fischer - KIA
04 Mar 43 : B3+BK : 2./KG 54 : FF Uffz Rudolf Fischer - KIA
-> Uffz Rudolf Fischer might have been with St I./KG 54 on 07 Sep 42

Nothing conclusive I'm afraid.

Kind regards,
Rudi.

[byron-]

@ Rudi,

So a crew of one Staffel could fly another Staffel's aircraft.

totaly right, but to often by Radtke

- concerning FF Oblt Palliardi:
11 Oct 42 : B3+MH : 1./KG 54
09 Nov 42 : B3+BB : St I./KG 54

Oblt. Karl Palliardi was Staffelkapitän of the 1. Staffel

01.08.42-26.02.43 FF. Oblt. Karl Palliardi, mit Ju 88 (B3+DB, W.Nr. 5560) 100%, Notwasserung 07.09.42 100 km. südwestl. Kreta, Besatzung gerettet,


- concerning FF Uffz Fischer :
15 May 41 : B3+HH : 1./KG 54 : FF Oblt Arno Fischer - KIA
04 Mar 43 : B3+BK : 2./KG 54 : FF Uffz Rudolf Fischer - KIA
-> Uffz Rudolf Fischer might have been with St I./KG 54 on 07 Sep 42


Can`t be one of them, since Fischer was lost 07.09.42

researching is a real trouble