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30th June 2009, 15:22
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Re: Fi156 3(H)/31 shot down 18 May 1940?
Fi 156, Holzapfel, Uffz. Franz, 3./(H)21, 18-May-40, KIA due to Luftkampf with Hurricanes from 'A' flight of 253 Sq. (P/O Ratford & P/O Bell-Salter). Westfeldzug, Cull, et al, Twelve Days in May, p.212-13, Raum Cambrai, 100%, F
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30th June 2009, 19:39
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Re: Fi156 3(H)/31 shot down 18 May 1940?
Yes.....
so what was your source that Peter may have missed?
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30th June 2009, 22:22
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Re: Fi156 3(H)/31 shot down 18 May 1940?
Hi John
My information came via the late Heinrich Weiss. Peter decided to disregard some of this as being misinformation. I don't know if the Fi156 falls into this category. Hopefully Peter will advise. I wondered if others had information. Cheers from sweltering Suffolk! Brian
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1st July 2009, 03:02
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Re: Fi156 3(H)/31 shot down 18 May 1940?
Ahhh, you don't know sweltering! It has been 95-99 F the past few days in NC.
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11th July 2009, 12:33
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Re: Fi156 3(H)/31 shot down 18 May 1940?
Brian,
You are absolutely correct. I chose to disregard Weiss' account as it did not stand scrutiny against the NVMs nor information from the VDK. But you will find HOLZAPFEL listed in The Battle of France Then & Now on May 21, 1940. It has been 38 degrees C in the Aude.
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12th July 2009, 11:11
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Re: Fi156 3(H)/31 shot down 18 May 1940?
Hi Peter
Just to clarify this completely, did your research reveal that the Hurricanes pilots did not encounter Fi156s of 3(H)/31 as suggested in 'Twelve Days in May', or just that Holzapfel was not lost on 18 May? Cheers Brian
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12th July 2009, 17:31
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Re: Fi156 3(H)/31 shot down 18 May 1940?
Brian,
Yes, to both. The claims for Hs126 submitted by HARRIS, RATFORD, & BELL-SALTER of No.253 Squadron near Cambrai on May 18, 1940, are well documented but I believe relate to a 3.(H)/41 aircraft as detailed in The Battle of France Then & Now & not connected to the loss of the Fi156 of 3.(H)/21 flown by HOLZAPFEL three days later for reasons already stated. Incidentally, the details of this engagement as published on pp212/3 & p232 of Twelve Days in May are contradictory.
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