serial 260 Sqn Kittyhawk (Sgt. Carlisle) 15.6.42?

[Theo Boiten]

Dear all,


Who can help with the serial number of a 260 Squadron Kittyhawk flown by Sgt. Carlisle that was was shot down over the Mediterranean Sea on 15 June 1942?

Cheers and thanks for any details, Theo

[Bas Maathuis]

Hi Theo,

Henk Weltings archive holds 28 Kittyhawk losses for 260 Sqdn but not with Sgt. Carlisle nor on 15.6.42

Regards, Bas

[Theo Boiten]

Hi Bas,

Thanks for the reply; one of my secondary sources for 15.6.42 informed me that the loss concerned a 260 Sqn Kittyhawk piloted by a Sgt. Carlise.

Let me re-phrase the question then:

I have the following German claim for 15.6.42; which Allied loss could be matched to the claim:

Ofw. Hermann Sommer: 13 2./NJG2 P-40 over Mediterranean Sea 19.00

Cheers, Theo

[alessandro bray]

Hallo,

Sgt Carlisle was shot down on 16. june over El Adem on 16,30 by Bf109.

Possibly british sqn encountered by Sommer was the 250 Sqn, active around 19,50 over a convoy in the Med against a formation of italian SM79 (130km N of Gambut), but no losses.

Data from the excellent A history of Mediterran air war vol II

regards

[Theo Boiten]

Hello Alessandro,

Cheers and thanks for putting the right date on the loss of Sgt. Carlisle -is there any mention of a 250 Squadron aircraft damaged in the encounter with Sommer on 15th June 1942?

Cheers, Theo

[Nick Hector]

Theo,

If it helps:

I have always known that one to be a twin-engined aircraft of unspecified type...

Nick
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[Theo Boiten]

Hi Nick,

.. well, Sommer's Leistungsbuch says a different thing for this claim, it states "Einmotoriges Flugzeug (USA)"..

Cheers, Theo

[Nick Hector]

That certainly corrects the record then. I wonder how things got so confused in the first place.

Can anyone shed a light on any other possible losses or encounters that might have resulted in this claim?
Maybe one possible insight is the fact that Wilhelm Crinius of JG 53 at one point claimed a 'USA Fighter' that turned out to be a Hurricane, the vokes filter obviously appearing to be the big chin-radiator of a Curtiss P-40....

[Russell]

Theo

250 Sqn were flying "long Range" Kittyhawks and were the only single seat unit that could get that far out. They were there late in the day but did not lose anyone. See Mediterranean Air War Vol 2.

Regards Russell

[Theo Boiten]

Thanks for the feedback Russell; it appears that the Sommer claim remains a bit of a mystery ..

Cheers, Theo