Archeology / identification

[gilles collaveri]

good morning to you all,

We digged out the following: I would be inclined to bet for a Me110, since blade VDM P/N 9-11081 equipped the Me110, and the landing door and the machine gun support look like Me110 ones.

However, the small green plugs (in the box) on the left of the bullets are marked "Argus NW10". Could argus build sub components for Me110 engines ?

Any confirmation from you concerning the aircraft type will be welcome;

Txs

GC

[harrison987]

Hi!

The Me110 used 9-11073 prop as far as I know...


I do know 100% that the Me109E used the 9-11081...and I recognize at least 3 or 4 parts that are 100% Me109 E. Those are the armour plate, the oval hatch, and the rib section shown in the same pic as the hatch, and some various small parts.


The Argus NW parts are used in all luftwaffe aircraft, so we cannot use those to ID.


So 100% Me109 E


Mike

[gilles collaveri]

Hi Mike,

thanks for answer, however, I have seen:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=9845

where I can read that this type of blade was used on both Me109 and Me110

so, where is the truth ?

Plus (i) the U shape support, likely to be for the rear gunner machine gun (so, not Me109) and (ii) the landing gear door, quite long (I shall measure it tonight to have the eaxct size) (iii) plus the local rumor that several people died in the crash, all this push me to the Me110 !

Tell me, which parts do you believe are 100% Me109 ?

Thanks,

GC

PJ: one more plate found there

[gilles collaveri]

ooops..

Sorry Mike for asking the question "which parts do you believe are 100% Me109 "

I had not taken time to read you properly.

Sorry !

GC

[Melvin Brownless]

Hi Gilles,

At least one person must of lost their life as you have found a parachute release "D" ring (pic DCN0070.2jpg). Argus hydraulic connectors are found on all German aircraft.

Melvin

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[Andy Saunders]

Certainly Me 109 with pilot killed in crash.

The large steel plate is one half of the fuselage bulkhead armour that sits behind the pilot.

I cannot see anything (yet!) that tells us what sub type (eg E or F)

What dates on the bottom of the 7.92mm rounds??

Is there a painted number on the inside of the round hatch?

[gilles collaveri]

Hi Andy,

no number painted in the hatch,

I shall check tonight the dates on the 7.92mm rounds and let you know.

I shall post more pictures tomorrow.

However; the question for me is : 109 or 110 ???
(the crushed landing gear door is huge ! it does not match with a 109. And how explain the "U" shaped support if we face a 109 ?)

GC

[Andy Saunders]

Do you have a picture of the landing gear door?

I cannot see one in the photos you have posted.

However, I can see one half of the steel armour plate that sits in the Me109 fuselage just behind the cockpit. The bottom section is broken away.

Be careful with the 7.92 mm bullet heads.

Sometimes they can contain phosphorus. Be careful and keep them outdoors!

You also have the tip of one propeller blade.

You also have a tryre size: 650 x 150, I think.

[gilles collaveri]

Andy,

Here is another picture of the door (On the first batch of pictures, you can see it on the second picture, in the background).

Can't the armour plate come from a 110 ?

thanks for advice concerning the bullets.

GC

[Andy Saunders]

No, its 109 armour!

I can also see one of the little anodised hydraulic 'taps' from a 109 cockpit.

That isn't an undercarriage/landing gear door.

Looks like a section of top wing skin to me.

The question now; who was the pilot? What was the date of crash etc??