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18th December 2012, 18:14
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4/14 Do 17 Loss Battle of France
There are 2 photos in existence (as far as Peter Cornwell and myself are aware) which shows the burnt out remains of a Do 17 coded 5F+PM of 4/14 alongside a line of trees. They lost one on 13 May (no location), another at Givet 15 May and two 18 May south of Charleroi and the other at Loquignol. The rear of one photo says Neufchateau-can anyone solve this?
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18th December 2012, 19:15
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Re: 4/14 Do 17 Loss Battle of France
Chris,
I'm also aware of two photos of this crash, both of which are in the EoE Photo DB. The second one had the location ""Compiegne" hand-written on the back. Don't know if this helps or not. Regards, Larry Hickey EoE Project Coordinator
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18th December 2012, 19:57
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Re: 4/14 Do 17 Loss Battle of France
This would make 3 photos as I only got my one off eBay yesterday! I think that the Compiegne is misleading as Givet is south of Charlerois (15 May) as is the first 18 May loss. So where is Loquignol?
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18th December 2012, 20:04
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Re: 4/14 Do 17 Loss Battle of France
Chris, read Locquignol, 8 kms north/north west of the famous cheese city of Maroilles ! (dpt North of France)
bertrand
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18th December 2012, 20:10
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Re: 4/14 Do 17 Loss Battle of France
Hi,
Locquignol is situated in a clearing inside the large Forêt de Mormal, 5 km SE of Le Quesnoy or +/- 68 km SW of Charleroi. a guess, Neufchateau in Belgium... What else...  Perhaps the pictures would help to ID the landscape? Best regards. ClinA-78
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18th December 2012, 21:33
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Re: 4/14 Do 17 Loss Battle of France
The photos do not help much-a line of 5 trees behind which it is flat. The Do 17 remains are in front of the trees. I am inclined to think that Neufchateau could be incorrect and would like to think it is the 15 May 40 loss as I have photos of Von Szymonski returning to 4/14 after his release (I also have photos of the reburial of the crew from the first 18 May 40 loss). Who would be an aviation historian!??
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#8
18th December 2012, 22:11
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Re: 4/14 Do 17 Loss Battle of France
I went through my 4.(F)/14 after-action reports and I noted following aircraft code allocation:
A - Lt. Syrbius or Fw. Schoenewald J - Lt. Menge R - Lt. Lockemann I - Fw. Svatik N - Olt. Heinze O - Olt. Rahm E - Uffz. Eggers L - Uffz. Kling D - Lt. Pawlik I have two from von Szymonski but without a/c code! BTW I think that the 5F+PM was fired by the crew after crash-landing. Robert
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