Crash Photo Id

[Chris Goss]

No ideas what this is. On the back is written Oesau's 22 abschuss but it doesn't look like a Spitfire. Area looks like Pas de Calais but I am stumped!

[Hans Nauta]

Hi Chris,

It appears to me to be a French aircraft? The right soldier is sitting on the fuselage roundel, the left one has his boot near a digit '9', assuming that the light camouflage is the underside of the aircraft.

Regards,
Hans

[Chris Goss]

Thanks Hans-I thought the same but still no closer!

[HGabor]

Soviet Li-2 (C-47). See bottom tips of old style (without white outline) Red star next to the sitting person on the right with typical 3 digit tactical number (~ 91X, perhaps 919) at the tail with red trimm on the rudder. Very typical AC specific rudder design behind the left person with back wheel at the front of horizontal stabilizer. See bottom of side door too.

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=h...9QEwAw&dur=359

[Hans Nauta]

Amazingly good identification, never thought about that possibility!

So the text on the backside is no clue at all and appears to be nonsense... For how much have you been ripped off, Chriss?

Hans

[Chris Goss]

5 euros so no complaints! However the question is now who shot if down & when?

[Kutscha]

Was there more than one Oesau in the Luftwaffe?

[researcher111]

At that time was called PS-84, the designation LI-2 came much later, secondly I doubt that's the case or a VVS plane at all.....I also
doubt that this is a Spit but a bomber or transport type aircraft. However ,the elevator portion has similarities to this of PS-84
Based on the camo I could agree with Hans regarding the French type and to some extent even British .

[HGabor]

Come on, Researcher111, this must be a joke! This plane has never been French, or British, this was a soviet plane for sure. DC-3, C-47, Li-2 or PS-84, you name it, - it was the same two engine transport/bomber plane either Lend Lease, or Soviet built. (In this case I think soviet built for 2 reasons: missing yellow AAF serial on tail whicj was usually kept in soviet service, plus the door on the side.)

The Name/designation in this case is completely irrelevant. This plane had at least a million different names, based on service, country, year, etc.

Soviet Li-2s also had well known "zebra" camouflage too. What you think to be the French or British insigna was only the last digit of the typical 3 digit marking (see attached example) plus the 'zebra' camo. Bottom of red star is also clearly visible in original picture. I waste no more words on this plane and photo.

[researcher111]

OK that clears all , I haven't seen that red star, if the crash date is available I could tell the name of the crew eventually look through my Luftwaffe books and records perhaps come out with a name ....

Thanks for your sketch and for the useful hinds

PS : if photo related to III./JG3 , considering the summer landscape ...this could have been a PS-84 of 8th GVF based at Kiev lost due aerial activity in Ukraine on July 1941