Help with Fliegerschulen Signatories

[Richard Mills]

I am trying to identify these 3 Luftwaffe Fliegerschulen related signatories from a collection of documents.

1. Oberst und Kommandeur Gross Kampffliegerschule 3, 30-April-1940.

2. Major und Stelv. Kommandeur Gross Kampffliegerschule 3, 05-July-1940.

3. Oberst und Kommandeur der Fliegerschulen und Fliegerersatzabteilung 11, 01-November-1938.

Any help whatsoever will be very much appreciated.

Regards Richard.

[Larry deZeng]

For Item 1, this link should help:

http://www.ww2.dk/air/schule/ks3.htm

[Larry deZeng]

For Item 3, this name may help:

CRANZ, Friedrich (Fritz). (DOB: 03.01.90 in Memel).
01.07.38 appt Kdr. d. Fliegerschule FFS A/B 11 und der Fl.Ers.Abt. 11 (later Fl.Ausb.Rgt. 11). 01.01.39 promo to Gen.Maj.

[Larry deZeng]

In Item 2, the name looks like "AWinckel", but I have no record of a Major A. Winckel.

[Richard Mills]

Larry

Thank you very much indeed for your help with this.

The identification of Friedrich Cranz is a very welcome input indeed.

With regards to the Gross Kampffliegerschule 3, unfortunatly http://www.ww2.dk/air/schule/ks3.htm does not list the Kommandeur over the period I am looking for.

Identifying the Stelv. Kommandeur is going to be very difficult I think.

Thanks for your help as always.

Regards Richard.

[gwdsoldat]

Hello Larry,
may be this link will given little help.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...Gliederung.htm

Best regards
Manfred

[Richard Mills]

Originally Posted by gwdsoldat

Hello Larry,
may be this link will given little help. http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...Gliederung.htm
Best regards Manfred

Manfred

Thanks for posting the link however, the information there is still missing the details of the Kommanduer for the period I am looking for.

Regards Richard.

[Larry deZeng]

Hi Manfred,

Yes, the Lexikon site and the ww2.dk site almost always have the same information on Luftwaffenverbaende. In this case, Grosse Kampffliegerschule 3, the information comes from this outstanding source:

Carlsen, Sven and Michael Meyer. Die Flugzeugführer-Ausbildung der Deutschen Luftwaffe 1935-1945 [German Air Force Pilot Training 1935-1945]. Zweibrücken: VDM Heinz Nickel Verlag:
Band I: Von der Grundausbildung bis zur Blindflugschule [From Elementary Training to Instrument Flight School] (1998). ISBN: 3-925480-29-3. Hb (laminated cover). 496p. Profusely illus. (incl. color photos). Charts and tables.
Band II: Fliegerwaffenschulen und Ergänzungsgruppen [Aviation Combat Schools and Replacement Groups] (2000). ISBN: 3-925480-34-x. Hb (laminated cover). 576p. Profusely illus. (incl. color photos). Tables.

In Band II, page 362, it says Oberst Robert Krauss was Kdr. of Gr.KFS 3 Warschau-Okecie. He held that position from 01.10.40 to 30.04.41. Prior to 01.10.40, there was no Stab or II. Gruppe. Only I./Gr.KFS Warschau-Okecie existed and its Kdr. was Obstlt. Hans von Wussow. That's what it says in this very comprehensive source. Its immediate predecessor was Grosse Kampffliegerschule Lechfeld, which moved to Warschau-Okecie on 1 January 1940 and changed its name. No one seems to know who the Kdr. of Gr.KFS Lechfeld was either. It's a mystery, I guess.

Larry

[gwdsoldat]

Hello Richard, I'm sorry for given nothing.
Larry, thanks for this additional information. Yes I have to understand that often one source and all use this in any ways.
By the way. My Father was, start in mid 1939 for one Year, member of Grosse Kampffliegerschule 3, staying at Lager Lechfeld.

Best Christmas
Manfred

[Larry deZeng]

That's interesting, Manfred. It seems logical that the Stab disbanded on 31 Dec 39 and then was not re-established until Oberst Krauss was appointed on 1 Oct 40. But then, Richard has that document and it has a signature. Perhaps someone will be able to read the signature and identify the Oberst who signed the document.

L.