Sgt Major Gunter Kammer or Krammer

[mpierrela]

I got this request from someone in England.

I wrote a post on my blog.

http://athabaskang07.wordpress.com/2...gunter-kammer/

Any help is most welcome.

[mpierrela]

[Brian Bines]

Would this be Fw. Gunther Kramer of 1/JG77 shot down near Gravesend on 31-8-1940 ?

[mpierrela]

The only information I have is this...

http://athabaskang07.wordpress.com/2...own-over-kent/

Nothing more I am afraid.

Can you tell me more about that pilot?

Thanks

[Stig Jarlevik]

Mpierrela

Taken from Luftwaffe crash archives:
31 August 1940 Bf 109E-1 Wn 6092 marks: 5+ unit: 1./JG 77
Place: Shornemead Fort, Gravesend, Kent at 13.20H
While escorting bombers at 23000 ft to Hornchurch aerodrome this aircraft was attacked by a Hurricane, the controls and engine being damaged and the aircraft made a belly landing but started to burn and was almost completely destroyed. Markings: most of the nose appeared to have been painted yellow.
Pilot: Feldwebel Günther Kramer EK II badly burnt, POW

There are two photos of the Bf 109 after the fire had been put out and a note saying, the pilot had in his pockets Three receipts from shops in Aalborg dated 19th August 1940.

Cheers
Stig

[ouidjat]

Hi Mpierrela,

6092 is pictured three times in Prien Teil 2 pages 458 & 459 in Frankfurt Rhein/Main after a "Kopfstand".
It does exist one photo (eBay) showing only the tail (including WNr.) displaying one victory on fin (Poland fights or better the only one 1.Staffel victory registered on 03/01/1940 - snow on picture - by Fw. Gotthard Goltzsche?). "Weisse 5+".
Another one showing only the nose but in connection with other photos proving it's white 5.
And a third one showing the full plane; no victory visible; WNr. not readable.

All in early camouflage and, maybe nothing to do with your pilot.

Thanks Stig to have pointed the loss.

Regards, Franck.

[mpierrela]

Thank you so much.

I posted this information on my blog.

http://athabaskang07.wordpress.com/2...krammer-redux/

Maybe some people will find it.

Pierre

[mpierrela]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

Mpierrela

Taken from Luftwaffe crash archives:
31 August 1940 Bf 109E-1 Wn 6092 marks: 5+ unit: 1./JG 77
Place: Shornemead Fort, Gravesend, Kent at 13.20H
While escorting bombers at 23000 ft to Hornchurch aerodrome this aircraft was attacked by a Hurricane, the controls and engine being damaged and the aircraft made a belly landing but started to burn and was almost completely destroyed. Markings: most of the nose appeared to have been painted yellow.
Pilot: Feldwebel Günther Kramer EK II badly burnt, POW

There are two photos of the Bf 109 after the fire had been put out and a note saying, the pilot had in his pockets Three receipts from shops in Aalborg dated 19th August 1940.

Cheers
Stig

What is the meaning of... marks: 5+

31 August 1940 Bf 109E-1 Wn 6092 marks: 5+ unit: 1./JG 77

[Chris Goss]

5 would have been the number in White ahead of the fuselage cross

[mpierrela]

Thank you.

I wanted to be sure