Bf109 G.. = Werk:411683

[KrisJG3]

Dears ,

I'm looking for place where was crashed Bf109G-14 (Werk:411683) (but seems to me it was Bf109-G6) , probably from 4./JG27 ???

BR

Kris

[Frans A]

Kris,
45-04-24 411683 G-14 100% loss, 4./JG 27 Georgmarienhütte (D)
Pilot: FhjUffz. Wolfgang Schmidt KIA
Frans A

[John Manrho]

Frans,

What is your source?

Thanks,

John

[RolandF]

Georgsmarienhütte Raum Kloster Oesede/ Niedersachsen

[Norbert Schuchbauer]

WNr. 411683 was an Erla built Bf 109 G-6.

Norbert

[Jim P.]

I have to go with John on this one. Frans, what is your source? I have the following for this pilot.

Bf 109G-14, 511683, Schmidt, FhjUffz. Wolfgang, , I., 4., JG 27, , , , , 26-Nov-44, KIA due to Luftkampf., , RLV, WASt; Prien/Rodeike/Stemmer, Stab & I./JG 27, p.555, , Ort unbekannt, 100%, F, , ,

[ouidjat]

Hi Everybody,

Frans source is the Kracker list, (extract from Jager Blatt.) "KIA abt 24 April, 1945 during aerial combat on the Georgsmarienhütte, Kloster Oesede area, where he is buried. Jager Blatt 4 & 5/2003."
WNr. Number given is 411683.

There is long from 26/11/1944 to 25/04/1945 !???

http://aircrewremembered.com/Kracker...anPilotsS.html

Regards, Franck.

[Frans A]

John,
I do not keep a record of the source of all the data I have in the list of Luftwaffe pilots.
I find many details in TOCH !!! but also books etc.
Frans A

[John Manrho]

Bookkeeping is everything.....always list your sources....:-))....checked it and I believe Kracker mixed up two losses. Actually the info in Jägerblatt 04/2003 and 05/2003 already says so.....Ok this is what I have;

26-11-1944, Bf 109G-14, WNr. 511683, 4./JG 27
Fj.Uffz. Wolfgang Schmidt, born 11.12.1924
EM 68416/630
Vermisst, Ort unbekannt (all data from VLM).

VDK-Datenbank (online) says that he is buried on Waldfriedhof Georgmarienhütte - Kloster Oesede, Grave 15. The tool does not list the place of death but that must be in the area (south of Osnabrück).

24-04-1945 Bf 109, Ofw. Schmidt, 2./JG 27 reported killed. I checked the KTB Lfl. 6 which was listed as source in Prien's work on I./JG 27 but I only could find data on the mission of that day and that there were JG 27 losses, no info on name. Other sources (old Ring/Girbig-list) indeed mentions an Ofw. Schmidt lost near Bad Aibling. I have no more info.

So, nothing to do with 411683....

Regards,

John

[KrisJG3]

Thank you for everybody with help.