Info needed: Allied two engine a/c loss, Geel, Belgium

[ssg keay]

Hallo to everyone.

Has anyone got info on an Allied loss between Geel and the Alberts Kanal around 17-19 September 1944?

An eye-witness asked me to help ID a two-engined aircraft, which flew over her home, with the left engine on fire. She saw one person on a parachute and then saw the aircraft explode and maps rain down around her. The plane then impacted the ground about one kilometer from her location.

I could not find a Carrier Command loss in that area and as I am not near my own records for another two weeks, wonder if any of you Experten have a lead for me?

Thanks, Danny

[Alain57]

Hello Danny ,

Perhaps is one these aircraft the one you are looking for :

17/09/1944
Retie
C-47A-75-DL
Flak near van Geel at 1332 uur
Arnhem
42-100981
440TCG 95TCS 9X-A Chevelet Reims
1st Lt Shauvin Eugene P ( MIA ) 0-756333 Spokane County Washington piloot TOM Margraten
2nd Lt Green Walter I co-piloot (KIA) 0-687323 Orleans County New-York –
2nd Lt Richards John F( KIA ) navigator 0-706970
S/Sgt Bloomfield Matthew ( KIA ) radio 12143299 Kings County New-York –
S/Sgt Fisher Stanley A ( KIA ) crew-chief 37184880
1st Lt Faith Charles M ( EVD ) 0-1298585
Pvt Hunt Lester R ( POW ) 11106492
T/5 Beaver Richard H ( POW ) 17165038
Pvt Everly Spencer E ( EVD ) 36664905
Pvt Haux Alvin ( EVD ) 37544625- Pfc Robinson Ernest A ( EVD ) 37541602
Cpl Brazille Delbert S ( KIA ) 37468247 Douglas County Nebraska–
Pvt Rofar Michael ( KIA ) 32189350 Middlesex County New-Jersey
Pvt Sarlas George L ( KIA ) 16126981 Cook County Illinois
All from van 101 AB /501st Parachute Regiment–
Pvt Stephens Roy L ( KIA ) 6923763 Calhoun County Alabama - 502nd Parachute Regiment


17/09/1944
Retie or Kempkens NL
C-47A-25-DK
Flak
Arnhem
42-93803 434TCG 73TCS CN- Aldemaston
Capt Wendling Harold E ( KIA ) piloot 0-739609 Chyenne Wyoming
T/Sgt Dunwoody Paul D ( KIA ) crew-chief 34163152 Jefferson County Alabama Neupré A/21/2
2nd Lt Schroeder Calvin C ( KIA ) co-piloot 0-700993 Youngstown Ohio
1st Lt Turncliff William J ( KIA ) navigator 0-809449
S/Sgt Keefe John R ( EVD ) radio 33302698

19/09/1944
Postel 5 km north70 C-47A-65-DL
Operatie Market Garden
Flak
42-100551 436TCG 81TCS U5-
Bottesford,Membury
Cpt Vosika Edward J piloot 0-677345 2nd
Lt Jacobson M co-piloot
2nd Lt Johnson Howard C navigator ( POW ) 0-698439 Wisconsin (1)
T/Sgt Shumake Willis W crew-chief ( POW ) 34035656 South-Carolina (4)
S/Sgt Runyan Warren S radio ( POW ) 17109221 North-Dakota (4)
MACR 9921 Van Vosika en Jacobson zijn we niet zeker dat zij POW werden -Vosika maakte een noodlanding

19/09/1944
Retie
C-47A-70-DL
Operatie Market Garden
Flak
42-100770 438TCG 89TCS 4U- Little Joe of Little Jo
Welford,Greenham Common
1st Lt Cary Carl Allen piloot (KIA) 0-753327 Hennepin County MN
2nd Lt Lawhorn James A co-piloot (KIA) 0-769485 Scott County Tennessee Neupré A/13/18
T/Sgt Rockwell Richard K. crew-chief (KIA) 11083570 Rockingham County New-Hampshire
S/Sgt Hines John D. Radio (KIA) 34249603 Dixie County Florida


19/09/1944
Turnhout - ( Rhoode )
C-47A-75-DL
Arnhem 42-100879
435TCG 75TCS
CK Langar,Welford
1st Lt Alexoff Ronnie ( KIA ) 0-676713 Portage Ohio 2nd
Lt Osborne Leonard ( KIA ) 0-704493 Utah
S/Sgt Thomson Orville ( KIA ) 1715656 Macoupin County Illinois
T/Sgt Brunisholz Hans A ( KIA ) 19171980 Salt Lake City Utah Neupré
MACR 9919

Regards Alain57

[Leendert]

Assuming the lady is/was from (around) Geel and speaks Dutch, perhaps the story here about two C-47 crashes in the Geel area may be interesting: http://www.bloggen.be/warresearcher/...tum=1253743201

I agree with Alain that a C-47 is the most likely type there and then.

Regards,

Leendert

[spitty80]

A story can be found at

http://battleforthelocks.be/GEEL/Dakota.html

regards,
Wim

[karl lusink]

Originally Posted by ssg keay

Hallo to everyone.

Has anyone got info on an Allied loss between Geel and the Alberts Kanal around 17-19 September 1944?

An eye-witness asked me to help ID a two-engined aircraft, which flew over her home, with the left engine on fire. She saw one person on a parachute and then saw the aircraft explode and maps rain down around her. The plane then impacted the ground about one kilometer from her location.

I could not find a Carrier Command loss in that area and as I am not near my own records for another two weeks, wonder if any of you Experten have a lead for me?

Thanks, Danny

Hello,
17-09-1944
13.20 h
P-38J-15 near Desschel(B), now Dessel Grid K-1496) Serial 43-28743,
367 Fighter Group / 392 Fighter Squadron.
2/Lt Gerald. M. O'DONNELL POW, hit by Flak.
MACR 9109.
Regards
Karl Lusink

[Alain57]

Hello ,

The following link gives De Steeg in Holland as crashsite ?

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=50750

Greets
Alain57

[karl lusink]

Originally Posted by Alain57

Hello ,

The following link gives De Steeg in Holland as crashsite ?

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=50750

Greets
Alain57

Hello,
Yes I know, but on september 17, 1944 no P38 crashed in or near
De Steeg (East of Arnhem)!
I Have a report that mentions Deschell, now Dessel (grid K-1496) as the place were O'Donnel came down!
Target area for this Fighter Group was Eindhoven! The FG reached Eindhoven at 13.00 hours.
Regards
Karl Lusink

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Regards
Karl Lusink