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Old 9th February 2016, 23:35
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22 December 1944

Gentlemen,

as it so happens, I have another question, this time concerning Luftwaffe fighter operations in the West on 22 December 1944.

While this day is generally considered to have been very quiet owing bad weather, I have two official German reports stating that Lw.-Kdo. West could in fact muster 262 fighter sorties on that day, claiming five and losing seven.

I can account for 95 of those sorties including six losses, all for JG 53 under 5 JD command. But which unit did put up the other 177 fighters, which would then have been responsible for seven claims and only one loss ?

As usual, any substantiated input would be gratefully appreciated.

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Old 10th February 2016, 01:12
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Re: 22 December 1944

I don't think the attached will tell you anything new. The Operations Watch report (complied from Ultra and Y-service information) for Dawn 22nd - Dawn 23rd (CX/MSS/OPD 1395) says this:
Weather permitting, JK II intended ground attack operations in the LIEGE area in support of army spearheads. KG 51 and SG 4 were to take part, the latter with aircraft of JG 2 as escort. Operation apparently cancelled owing weather.
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Old 10th February 2016, 09:33
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Re: 22 December 1944

Nick,

many thanks, the JG 53 claims were new to me and I'm most grateful.

Leaves us with just the question who the other 177 fighters were.

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Old 10th February 2016, 16:18
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Re: 22 December 1944

Surprised that Jochen nd his team, never consider the Ultra data, they are full of tits nd bits, nd some mistakes ref. to Wn nd Kennzeichen, but deliver also many/many worthfull détails, on ops, losses, places...

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Old 10th February 2016, 20:53
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Re: 22 December 1944

They do Rémi, but they don`t find everything.

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Old 10th February 2016, 22:05
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Re: 22 December 1944

Sorry, I hv to think, that collect data , is one thing, give them an order, an other art

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