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Old 7th January 2007, 11:38
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Who flew this Bf 109F from III./JG 77?

Can anyone tell us who flew this Bf 109F, Red (?) 2, from III./JG 77? Notice the three victory bars on the rudder top.
The photo was taken in mid-1941 in Rumania. A precise date of this spectacular accident would also be appreciated.
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Old 7th January 2007, 18:33
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Re: Who flew this Bf 109F from III./JG 77?

Regarding Prien/Stemmer/Rodeike/Bock, "Die Jagdfliegerverbände ..., volume 6/ II, p.352, this "black 2" from 8./ JG 77 was flown from Obfw. Friedrich Blaurock (7./ JG 77) but place and date are unknown for him. About the right pilot he was unsure too.

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Old 7th January 2007, 19:10
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Re: Who flew this Bf 109F from III./JG 77?

Thanks, Rasmussen, for the details. I do have the quoted book, but it's still packed in a carton box...

Is the aircraft's W.Nr. and sub-type given?
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Old 7th January 2007, 21:34
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Re: Who flew this Bf 109F from III./JG 77?

The W.Nr. wasn't mentioned but the sub-type: F - 4.

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Old 7th January 2007, 23:10
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Re: Who flew this Bf 109F from III./JG 77?

From another source, also given as being Johannes Pilcher's aircraft after rough landing through a edge... maybe red 2 of 8 staffel / JG 77.
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Old 8th January 2007, 13:44
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Re: Who flew this Bf 109F from III./JG 77?

Did any of the two mentioned pilots have 3 'kills' at that time?
Again, I don't have my references handy.
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Old 8th January 2007, 15:33
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Re: Who flew this Bf 109F from III./JG 77?

I made an effort to try and figure this out several years ago - I think my conclusion was either Pichler or one other guy who's name escapes me now. BTW, it's 'black 2'.
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Re: Who flew this Bf 109F from III./JG 77?

Johann Pichler sunked 2 british speedboats as a fighter-bomber
during the Balkan and Cretan compaigns. His first 3 claims were

1 - 16.5.1941 - Hurricane
2 - 10.7.1941 - I-16
3 - 10.7.1941 - I-16

On the tail were the symbols of the 2 boats so I think this Bf 109 is not
the regular a/c of Pichler!
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Re: Who flew this Bf 109F from III./JG 77?

I believe we are working in a wrong way, with Blaurock or Pichler.
Both of these pilots were members of 7th staffel_III JG77.
Complying with the german rules of fighters markings, the tactical numbers of 7th staffel had to be painted in white color, as for instance, on Wolf Dieter Huy Me.109-F.
http://members.aol.com/kaczmarek190/huy.html
In the present case, the tactical number is either red or black (no matter which colour, in fact), denoting an aircraft of the 8th staffel.
Indeed, who was flying with this red or black 2?
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Re: Who flew this Bf 109F from III./JG 77?

it's Pichler's in all probability ...there's no positive ID on this one though...
another view appears in the original article but wasn't used in our bio..

http://members.aol.com/kaczmarek190/pichler.html
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