A question about Genst.Gen.Qu.6.Abt. loss list

[oquaig]

Hi everyone,

Was the Genst.Gen.Qu.6.Abt. loss list ever a part of the Karlsruhe Collection ?
Thanks in advance
oquaig

[Carsten Petersen]

And what is the Karlsruhe Collection ??

[oquaig]

Originally Posted by Carsten Petersen

And what is the Karlsruhe Collection ??

Hi,

The Karlsruhe Collection was a library of German documents assembled for the USAF German Air Force Monograph project housed in Karlsruhe, Germany. They were used as a source for people like Hermann Plocher and others to write the US Air Force historical series, some of which were translated and published, but not all of them. Later it became a center where authors like Balke, Gundelach, Brekken and Kurowski did their research in the 60's, and 70's. Then the original documents were transferred to the BA/MA where they were re-cataloged. Some of these documents were copied and stored at NARA. What I have been finding out is that a complete set was copied and is at AFHRA. Which is why I asked here if anyone knew about whether the Genst.Gen.Qu.6.Abt. loss list ever a part of the Karlsruhe Collection ? So if Larry is right, the answer is no, it never was.

Thanks again,
oquaig


P.S.
By the way, thanks for the Eckert book reference Larry!

[Nick Beale]

The reels were certainly in Allied hands because the Imperial War Museum put them on microfilm. I understand that the originals were returned to Germany in the 1060s. Larry de Zeng will know the exact date, I’m sure.

[edNorth]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

The reels were certainly in Allied hands because the Imperial War Museum put them on microfilm. I understand that the originals were returned to Germany in the 1060s. Larry de Zeng will know the exact date, I’m sure.

These were found as paper copies by the Americans as revealed by Steve Coates some annums back, but were incomplete it appears, not certain.
THE IWM REELS are same filmed copies as BAMA / SELKE sold copies of on FICHE (with many "moved" frames) but Originals ARE in BAMA Freiburg.

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by edNorth

These were found as paper copies by the Americans as revealed by Steve Coates some annums back, but were incomplete it appears, not certain.

I know of at least one page missing from the films that someone (Jochen Prien?) found at Freiburg and kindly sent to me.

[Larry deZeng]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

The reels were certainly in Allied hands because the Imperial War Museum put them on microfilm. I understand that the originals were returned to Germany in the 1060s. Larry de Zeng will know the exact date, I’m sure.

Can't add much, but I do know that in the late forties when the "Karlsruhe Collection" authors were slaving away on their histories, they had to be taken by air to the A.I.12 (Post-Hostilities)/Air Ministry Library on Monck Street in London to see and do research in the captured German documents, including the Gen.Qu.(6.Abt.) Luftwaffen-Verlustmeldungen. They had Allied chaperones and could only visit for a few weeks at a time before returning to Germany.

These loss records were never in the U.S. They were part of the Luftwaffe administrative and selected operational records that remained in the U.K. in the custody of the Air Historical Branch - some being microfilmed - before being returned to Germany between c. 1960 and 1972. For those interested in the nitty-gritty details, see:

ECKERT, Astrid M. The Struggle for the Files: The Western Allies and the Return of German Archives after the Second World War. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2013. ISBN: 978-1-107-62920-2.

L.

[Franek Grabowski]

Is a distribution list of those documents known?

[Steve Coates]

Originally Posted by Franek Grabowski

Is a distribution list of those documents known?

Try Andreas Brekken's blog:

http://aviationhistorynorway.blogspo...es-der_25.html

[ArtieBob]

There was a link posted on TOCH not too long ago (1 year or 2?) to Olve Dybvig's site with images of the loss list. There was quite a bit, but am not certain if it was anywhere near complete. I looked for the link, but couldn't find it. Perhaps someone could put it up again.
ArtieBob