Hawker Typhoon loss

[pilot05]

Can anyone help me... I'm looking for a H. Typhoon loos on 26.11.1944 in the area of Kleve (?)
Does someone have any information?

Regards
pilot05

[Jaap Woortman]

Are you sure it was a Hawker Typhoon? Do you have the time when it happened?
A Spitfire was missed after an attack at a railway near Vorden, The Netherlands just after 9.30 and a Spitfire was hit by Flak in the Nijmegen area at about 1235 hrs. Pilot bailed out too late, but I do not know if the plane or the pilot came down near Malden in The Netherlands.

Jaap

[Kutscha]

The only Typhoon loss listed in the Thomas and Shores Typhoon & Tempest book is for JP677, QC-P flown by F/L JK Brown near Brighton Beach. It crash landed, cause unknown.

The day before MN912 was shot down by flak SW of Voorrthuizen. Is this near Kleve?

[Jaap Woortman]

The Typhoon MN912 made a crashlanding at Nulde, The Netherlands.
Nulde is about 60 kms from Kleve.
Nulde is N.W. of Voorthuizen near the coast.
Distance Voorthuizen - Kleve is about 50 kms.

Jaap

[pilot05]

Hello,
thank You for your help.
It should be a Typhoon, a german pilot told me about his first victory. The enemy plane had a red spinner. The german pilot saw the plane crashing in the ground, because the fight was on low altitude. He said that this was "unweit" Kleve at ca.14.10 time. He flew a Me 109.
He told this story for my father and he painted a oil-painting. I will send a picture of this later.

Best regards

[Jaap Woortman]

I am sorry to say that we have to come to the conclusion that the German pilot has made a mis-identification.
If we compare the available information:
Malden is "unweit" Kleve, less then 10 kms.
The time difference is more then an hour but both early in the afternoon.
The Spitfire was to low for the Norwegian pilot to bail out safely. So at low altitude.
The complete information I have about the Spitfire crash is:
Date: 44-11-26
Time: 1215 hrs.
Place: Malden(Neth.), Droogsestraat.
A/c.: Spitfire IX PV210
Unit: 331 Sqn. RAF
Pilot: Sgt.F.N.Ostervold
See also http://www.luftwaffe.no/Table2.htm
I will check tonight if the Spitfires of 331 Sqn. had coloured spinners.

Who was the German pilot and what was his unit?

Jaap

[Stein Meum]

Sgt. Finn Normann Østervold was flying Spit IX PV210 FN-R when he was shot down by flak on 26. November 1944. No enemy fighters were observed.He bailed out,but the plane was too low and the chute failed to open.
There are no reports of any 331 or 332 Sqn planes with red spinners.However,most of the planes on these two squadrons had a red-white-blue-white-red band around the central part of the spinner.Rest of the spinner would be sky.

Stein

[pilot05]

Thank you again for your interest,
I send you a link to the picture (the quality isn't good, sorry).
It is a Fhj-Uffz from 4./JG27. I can only tell you, what he has told me. He saw a low flying plane (he said Typhoon, but he could be wrong) and he attacked it, this were only a few seconds, so it is possible that he was wrong with the colours and the spinner. He saw it crashing into the ground.

http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?i...sc06547io7.jpg

Best regards
pilot05

[Henk Welting]

Stein,
Ostervold was initially buried in a garden behind the Jonkerbos Juvenaat (juvenile house ?) at that time used as a hospital.

Henk.