German wrack from (germ.:Karsbach) and germ. Hinzendorf) in present in Poland

[KrisJG3]

Next technical data - plate to id from the same Bf-109:

Any idea from which part/device of aircraft ?

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("In blue" probably - Gerät-Nr.: ........ 0
Werk Nr.: 490362
Hersteller: mcu
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Today I have found next plate:

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(probably: Gerät-Nr.: ........ 0
Werk Nr.: 490362
Hersteller: mcu
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So:
Bf 109G-10/R6 <- mcu

Some BF109-G10 was with similar Werk Nr.:


12/12/44 Gefr. Kurt Nickel
2./JG 3 Bf 109 G-10
(490759)
Black 13 Combat

and

1/01/45 Obgfr. Siegfried
Reuther
3./JG 3 Bf 109 G-10
(490674)
Yellow 1

Source: http://www.luftwaffe.be/miajg3.html

Can you on base: Werk Nr.: 490362 check MIA pilot name ?

Info. from my collegue - team " POMORZE1945":

45.03.03. 490362 100% I./JG 3

but who he was ? Pilot name = ?????

Source:
http://hloubkari.cz/forum/index.php?topic=600.10;wap2

Best regards,

Kris

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Hello Kris,

Looks like you have found the main aircraft data plate.
"mcu" is te producer code - Erla Maschinenwerk GmbH, Flugzeugbau, Werk 1, Leipzig

The Werknummer 490362 fits to an Erla produced Bf 109G-10.
Here is the loss record for the above mentioned Wnr.
Bf 109G-10 WNr.490362 03.03.45 I./JG3 Uffz. Günther Rabeler (verm.), unbekannte Ursache - Ort unbekannt, 100%

Perhaps someone here has the NVM for Uffz. Rabeler.

best regards,
Tomislav

[KrisJG3]

Dears,

THANKS a lot !!!!

PS

" ....Bf 109G-10 WNr.490362 03.03.45 I./JG3 Uffz. Günther Rabeler (verm.), unbekannte Ursache - Ort unbekannt, 100%

Perhaps someone here has the NWM for Uffz. Rabeler. ????? ...."


Here is also the same Werk Nr. for :

Rabeler, Günther Uffz ; I/JG-3 (Reich Def Ost) Bf 109G-10 ; Werk # 490362 ; (lost 3/3/45) ; Fighter Operational Clasp ; MIA 3 March, 1945, cause and location not reported.
http://aircrewremembrancesociety.com...anPilotsR.html

( Names not fly but fighters - now we have to confirm by "special" test) but ... big probability.


Best regards,

Kris

[Tomislav Haramincic]

NVM is a german archive record called Namentliche Verlustmeldung.
It contains more detailed information on the loss like, for example, the number on the pilots ID disc.

[KrisJG3]

So pilot was from Staffel 2./JG3 (new) (Stab I./JG3)
and in last mission from airfield:

(Airfields and Air Base Locations in period: 10 Feb 1945 - 3 Mar 1945) - Location: Pinnow - Bf 109G/K

Here is map and present photos from airfield in Pinnow:
http://www.gorawino.net/index.php?op...d=311&Itemid=1

Present name of airfield: Lotnisko Rzesznikowo = (Pinnow)

Source:
http://www.asisbiz.com/Luftwaffe/jg3.html

One question - do you know his "side number" and colour ?

[John Manrho]

Finally something to prove identity....yes, that is the main data plate.

March 3, 1945
Bf 109G-10, Werknummer 490362, schwarze 9, 2./JG 3
Uffz. Günther Rabeler, geboren 13.11.1919.
EM 68416/830
Start 16.25 Pinnow, ~17.00 Luftkampf mit Pe-2 und Lagg-3
Vermisst Raum Freienwalde/Stargard.

Acc to my records Uffz. Rabeler was declared dead after the war and is still listed as MIA.

Thanks,

John

[KrisJG3]

THANKS John !

Soon this information will be changed - we will write official letters to German institution.
Of course if pilot will be confirmed in 100% also will have own grave on the cmentary as known soldier.


Best regards,

Kris

[John Manrho]

And as already stated on an other forum, Uffz. Günther Rabeler is also mentioned (with picture) in the German Red Cross (DRK) Bildlisten, page LH 160.

J.

[KrisJG3]

He is also here, but without photo:

http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/dkm_de...l_wk1u2_ns.htm

Scharnebeck, Landkreis Lüneburg, Niedersachsen:
Verlustliste aus: Henning Soltau: Scharnebeck in der Zeit der
Umbrüche von 1914 bis 1945: - Monarchie, Republik und Diktatur
[in Steffen Grimme: „Scharnebeck gestern und heute“].
II WW

Namen der Gefallenen:

Unteroffizier RABELER Günther Geburtsdatum: 1919 Todesdatum: 1945

Can I ask on prive (DRK) Bildliste, page LH 160 ???

Thanks,

Kris

[KrisJG3]

Dears ,

Just now we can inform that "our pilot" from wrack Bf109G-10 (Werk Nr. 490362) on the "Schwarze 9" was Uffz. Günther Rabeler from 2./JG3 (Stab I.)
By the way one of our collegues from team received information from archive about Russian pilot Andrienko Stiepan Ivanowicz (from 233 Fighter Regiment) which probably (on 99%) hitted aircraft with Uffz. Günther Rabeler during air combat.
Russian pilot Andrienko Stiepan Ivanowicz for battle (on 3.03.1945) with strong German forces received order: «Красное Знамя».

It was great job our: "FORENSIC MEDICINE" and team "POMORZE1945" - both from Szczecin.

http://pomorze1945.com/?co=50&lang=EN

Big THANKS also for all other people involved in our action.
Special THANKS for Andrzej ,Piotr and Edward !

( PS- the same Werk Nr.:490362 and pilot name there are on the list from DRK).

Best regards,

Kris