Lost Fw 190 with numbers in soviet record

[HGabor]

For those, who are interested in Fw 190 records...

Found soviet document of 3rd battery / 1615. FLAK-regiment, which downed SG.10 Fw 190F-8, WNr.: 583603 on January 1, 1945 near Aba, Hungary. They carefully copied the numbers they found on the examined wreck into their report in details, so the plane probably belly landed near them in pretty good shape:

Plane marking was No. '7'
Serial number (W.Nr.): 583603
Engine number: Klatte-Huchting(?) 9-801 822-70511

Then they list the gunners, who downed the plane. (From other sources we know that the pilot was Obgfr. Fridolin Heitz, MIA)
Cheers,

Gabor

[S Sheflin]

Hello Gabor,
Thank you for posting this most interesting document.
However, Klatte-Huchting(?) 9-801 822-70511 is probably not the aircraft’s BMW 801 D Motornummer. Klatte, Theodore, Metallwarenfabrik, Bremen-Huching (Hersteller code jdo) produced aircraft exhaust components and sheet metal not complete engines..
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

[HGabor]

Thanks Steve!
Gabor

[Jim P.]

As Mr. Sheflin says, interesting document. This is not a machine or incident that I have in my own database. Can I ask what the "other sources" are that you mention? Have I missed or overlooked an available source document/published title? (Wouldn't be the first time.)

[Charles Bavarois]

NVM for WNr 583603, black 7, dates 2nd Jan 1945. OGfr Meitz (or Heitz) Friedolin MIA Totvazecay/Ungarn. The date is reported twice, probably no typo

[HGabor]

Tótvázsony was the base of 2./SG.10 N of Lake Balaton, but this recce. plane was lost over the Székesfehérvár airfield and crashed at Aba-W to 3rd flak battery of 1615 ZENAP, 17 VA, 3rd Ukr. Front. It's a bit of a distance, so definitely was not lost at Tótvázsony. Soviet record clearly says January 1, 1945 at 13:00 PM, contradicting the WASt NVM Report, so it can be just a typo. Would not be the first time. (The report itself was written on January 3, 1945.)

Source: ЦАМО, Ф.1615 ЗенАП, О.0107965с, Д.0002, Л.4

ст.л-т Рыбалко Алексей Иванович (1615 аэр. полк ПВО 17 ВА 3 УкрФ)
м-р Поройков Иван Константинович
инженер-к-н Городничий
л-т Романов
с-т Гуреев

Cheers,
Gabor

[Charles Bavarois]

Gabor,


thanks a lot!

[Franek Grabowski]

Obviously, it does not look like a typo error in both documents. Perhaps it is the date of issuing loss report, or it was an error ofa clerk filing the report.

[HGabor]

I do not know. Soviet report was written on January 3, 1945, while serial numbers of the downed German plane became 'accessible' to the soviets by January 1, 1945 - so theoretically it had to be down by that day. I assume on the 3rd the soviet clerks still knew if it happened 'yesterday', or the day before. Perhaps German record was filed later wrongly for January 2nd? I have no idea... but it's not a big deal. The hour is clear: 13:00 PM right at, or after lunch, so it was not an 'uncertain', night loss, that's for sure.

Gabor

[ssg keay]

Maybe the wreckage was found a few days after the shoot-down.