Kozhedub and P-51s

[Kutscha]

Late in the war, Kozhedub is said to have shot down 2 P-51s that had attacked him. What unit were the P-51s from and who were the pilots?

This is suppose to be gun camera footage, http://model.otaku.ru/1/kozhedub_guncamera.jpg

thanks.

[Franek Grabowski]

It is not confirmed the film was shot by Kozhedub and not eg. captured in Germany. That is one thing. The other is that no fitting US losses were found and finally it is clear from the film those Mustangs definetelly were not attacking but attacked.

[Ruy Horta]

Originally Posted by Franek Grabowski

it is clear from the film those Mustangs definetelly were not attacking but attacked.

If you are looking at the same frames as we are I think you are either a psycic medium or very imaginative. I only see the final seconds of a kill, nothing of what happened before or after.

The only hint that the Mustangs did not attack first is the fact that they are still carrying their drop tanks.

However, since we all know how Tommy McGuire came to his end, that is not certain proof that these Mustangs did not attack prior to being attacked as in illustrated by these final seconds of air combat.

Either you are basing your assumption on other material (or more footage), or you are letting your judgement be clouded by your sentiment - you've lost objectivity.

[Franek Grabowski]

Originally Posted by Ruy Horta

The only hint that the Mustangs did not attack first is the fact that they are still carrying their drop tanks.
However, since we all know how Tommy McGuire came to his end, that is not certain proof that these Mustangs did not attack prior to being attacked as in illustrated by these final seconds of air combat.

A Mustang entering dog-fight with a Focke Wulf with drop tanks carried? We have two different aircraft both in a dog fight and both with drop tanks. Highly unlikely, especially having in mind Mc Guire went against the rules and with catastrophic results.

Either you are basing your assumption on other material (or more footage), or you are letting your judgement be clouded by your sentiment - you've lost objectivity.

Well, I have an American description of a combat involving 'La-5' just in the right place of Germany. It does not look anything like Kozhedub's description but is the best match I have found. And it says Soviets bounced first.

[MB]

Undoubtedly that's a tape from e real German fighter's guncamera, not from La-7 ... I saw a lot of latter in 176 GIAP photo-album, they are different, and the tape is US-made, not Zeiss...

Hehe, I think that Kozhedub's 'kills' are only the rumor because all such events were fixed in Soviet documents. I saw few detailed documents describing 866 IAP Yaks combat with P-38 on 7.11.44 with 'victories' and own losses, but there isn't a single word about those misterious Mustangs...

[Franek Grabowski]

Da, Mihail, dumaju shto Ty videl mnozhe chem ja but if Mr Stankov is correct and Kozhedub fired at a B-17, this may be well the incident I have description of. At least it was done by Lavkas.