Hauptmann Gustav Rodel's G-4 help please

[Jesters-Ink]

This is exactly the reason why we came here in the first place.
In short, we feed on what is published (right or wrong) and we end up believing in it, as we know no different. A lot of people won’t understand that it the research that takes the time, not the drawing. Our templates take about 2 months to get the basics roughed in then about a further 2 months to tune up.
Double that in research for each aircrafts markings and you get a real idea why things take so long.

So I thank you guys whole heartedly, not for throwing a spanner in the works, but shining a light on the truth. We want our profiles to be as accurate and well detailed as they can be. So no more misconceptions, no more inaccurate aircraft designations, so I beg to ask, whose aircraft was it? I also would be more than grateful to know the unit, date and location.

Many thanks again for preventing another misrepresentation.

[Jim P.]

Definitely JG 77. See Prien's JG 77 history. Another 'well-known' machine 'White A' that is purportedly that of Schroer also fits this scenario. It's actually a JG 77 machine. I think there was also a G-6 so marked.

[Mark Steinitz]

To all,

A very interesting exchange; thanks to all. If I might take the opportunity of having the attention of so many knowledgeable members, can anyone refer me to photos of any of the later model 109 G's flown by Roedel? I find none in Prien's volume I on JG 27 in the short section that includes the Stabstaffel and Roedel's tenure as Commander of the Geschwader. Also, nothing in the Osprey Series books that cover JG 27, 109 G/K Aces of the Western Front, 109 Aces of the Med, or the newer volume on 109 Defenders of the Reich. Thanks in advance for any information.

[Jim P.]

To my knowledge there have been no published photos of any of Roedel's later machines. And the Osprey titles are probably the last place you'd ever find a photo of a Roedel machine.

Its too bad we don't have more markings discussions on this site.

[stefaan]

Hi Guys.
I think this is the left sided one you are talking about.
The chap I got it from was 12 sqdn SAAF and on the back it says a date that was late 1942.
In the back is a Ju 88.
This chap did not go across to Sicily so it places it in the WD.
Hope it helps
PS.I have 2 ammo rounds from this plane and the oil filler cap from the Ju 88.

[F19Gladiator]

Hi Steefan,
Thank you! Yes this is the same aircraft. Interesting info about location.

Is there an exact date on the back side?

Looks as if the WNr can be seen on the fin. Perhaps readable on the original?


Cheers
Goran

[stefaan]

Hi.
I am incliding a photo of the fin that I scanned at 1600 dpi to blow up and see.
As you see there is no werkno.
On the caption on the Bullets and cap mount it says ? Mersah Metruh area. No date anywhere.
Sorry.
If you can tell me near which LG was Metruh I may get it on my map and relate it to the 12 sqdn bases.

[robert]

Hi Stefaan,

I think there is a number written in black.

Regards

Robert

[Jesters-Ink]

It fascinates me how sketchy the information is on German aircraft.
There are a huge amount of publications available on the subject, but sadly many bristle with incorrect assumptions and unreliable information. The ones I used to think were reliable are not and have caught me out a few times. So to the guys in the “know”, what would you recommend as being a good reliable source for this kind of research?

[Von Alles]

thank you all for sharing these valuable informations.
But about T6+AD Ju 87 : who was the true pilot ?
Best regards

Von Alles