Loss of Oblt Reinhardt Hein, 2./JG 54

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Hello,

I'm trying to find the place where Oblt Reinhardt Hein, the Staffelkapitän of 2./JG 54, was lost on 6 August 1941.

Osprey JG 54 book says he was brought down by enemy anti-aircraft fire close to the Baltic coast and show a picture of his aircraft examined by Soviet soldiers.

Rosipal list says he was hit in an air battle and belly-landed between the lines, the location being given as "BuchtLuga1kmv.d.Str.Kinsis.-Narwa,10 kmö.Kins".

Both agree that he was captured.

The Luga Bay is well north of Narwa, and was not a battlefield at the time... My guess is that Narwa Bay was the right place. My ided was to find "Kinsis" or "Kins", but I have been unable to find so a place either in Estonia or in Russia north of Narwa.

A possibility could be Kivioli, 80 km west of Narwa ???

If anybody had the original loss report, I would be interested to know if it was reported correctly by Mr Rosipal.

Thanks in advance for any help

[Kari Lumppio]

Originally Posted by Laurent Rizzotti

My ided was to find "Kinsis" or "Kins", but I have been unable to find so a place either in Estonia or in Russia north of Narwa.

Salut!

Most likely Kingissepp. It is in Russia some 20 km East of Narva (by the railway). The town name is Estonian, though. The location was earlier known as Jamburg.

Kingissepp was a hard line communist excecuted in Estonia in 1922 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Kingissepp ).

Originally Posted by Laurent Rizzotti

1kmv.d.Str.Kinsis.-Narwa,10 kmö.Kins

This may stand for 1 kilometer von der Strasse Kingissepp-Narwa, 10 km östlich Kingissepp ? Pardon the possible syntax errors.

Why are you so sure Luga Bay was not battle area? Tallinn and Northern Estonia was sacked by Germans in August 1941. I am not sure which shoreline area Germans hold then (Aug 6th, 1941), but Luga Bay may very well have been "between the lines".


Hope this helps some,
Kari

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi

Original record:

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=139190

regards,
Andreas B

[Kari Lumppio]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Hi

Original record:

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=139190

regards,
Andreas B

Hei Andreas!

Just short note. Kingissepp is written with two s. But the typo was also in original? Also maps.google uses only one s in the location name... Sloppiness?
(EDIT serves me right - I wrote sloppiness with one s initially, heh. Now corrected. In any case I was just curious what is the correct spelling for the Soviet/Russian town name. What comes to the estonian fellow case is clear - name is with two s.)

Cheers,
Kari

PS Have you had time to look into the Aug 8th, 1944 Fw 190 loss by Fl.Ü.G. 1? Estonians are trying to identify the crew and plane wreck remains. See this thread: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=17721

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi!

Only one s in the original record.

Regards,
Andreas B

[Larry deZeng]

Webster's New Geographical Dictionary. 1988 edition, gives:
,
Kingisepp, formerly Yamburg or Yama. Railroad town , NW Leningrad Oblast, Russian S.F.S.R., 20 miles E of Narva.........blah, blah, blah.

However, this listing is obviously for English language readers. When the name is transliterated into other languages it could be or will be spelled differently. Auf deutsch, I think it would stay the same with just one "s".

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Thanks to all, especially Andreas for the original loss report. I will stick by it and ignore the other location given by the JG 54 loss list.

I spent some times on Google Map, but as the location was given on the road between "Kinsis" and Narwa, and east of "Kinsis", I searched a place west of Narwa.

By looking at the map, Kingisepp is on a line between Luga Bay and the base of I./JG 54 at the time, Mal. Owsischtschi (called Samra-See by the Germans, it was near the Russian lake of Ozero Samro, southeast of Narwa). So it is possible that Hein was on a mission whose target was in or near Luga Bay, was hit and force-landed on the way back near Kingisepp. The indication "1km v.d.Str. Kinsis.-Narwa, 10 km ö. Kins". could be OK by replacing "east of" by "west of", but all of this is speculation and I will just keep the location given the original report.

Thanks again

Laurent