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				Lt. H. Ertmann JG 1 on 10-07-1943
			 Gents, Lt. H. Ertmann crashed his Fw 190 A-4, Wn. 55573 north of Woensdrecht on the 10th july 1943. Damage on the a/c was around 60%. Lt. Ertmann was wounded. In the Kriegstagebuch of II/JG 1 there is nothing on Lt. Ertmann, nor on this loss. Can anybody check the Kriegstagebuch of III/JG 1 for data on Lt. Ertmann. I'm trying to find out if Lt. Ertmann was asigned to II/JG 1 or III/JG 1. Tia. 
				__________________ Kind regards, Bas Maathuis http://www.luchtoorlogboventwente.nl/ In Dutch only... | 
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				Re: Lt. H. Ertmann JG 1 on 10-07-1943
			 Leutnant Horst Ertmann belonged to Stab II./JG 1. I am not aware of the existence of a KTB III./JG 1 nor of a VLm for the 10.07.1943 loss. His injuries must have been minor. Regards, John. | 
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				Re: Lt. H. Ertmann JG 1 on 10-07-1943
			 From the redoubtable Kracker archives , I find the following on this chap: ERTMANN, Horst. 10.07.43 His Fw 190 A-4 crashed north of Woensdrecht Holland, cause and pilot disposition unknown (DeSwart). 25.07.43 His first known victory, a B-17 (HSS) 11.43 Stab II/JG 1 05.11.43 His 2nd victory , a B-17 (HSS) 8 km SE of Breskens. 13.11.43 His 3rd victory, a P-38. 26.11.43 His 4thvictory, a B-17 (HSS) on 26 November, 1943. 29.11.43 His 5th victory, a B-17 (HSS) into the sea NW of Borkum. 01.12.43 His 6th victory , a B-17. 12.44 6./JG 1 07.10.43 lost Fw 190A-4 Werk # 55573 (n.d.) Fw 190A-8 Werk# 173890 "Black 2 + - 26.12.44 Lt., KIA in his Fw 190 A-8 by Allied fighters while attempting to provide cover for the German Army in the Bastogne sector. I hope that this helps! DGS | 
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				Re: Lt. H. Ertmann JG 1 on 10-07-1943
			 Hello from Luxembourg, I believe that Lt Ertmann crashed here near Eschdorf ,Luxembourg on the 26.12.1944. He was in a Dog Fight with the 362nd FG. It is existing a combat Film from a former pilot of the 362nd Mr Ralph SALLEE which shows this fight. Have you perhaps more details of Lt Ertmann as I know, he is still Missing in action from the 26.12.1944? We are still searching this case here in Luxembourg. John DERNEDEN | 
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				Re: Lt. H. Ertmann JG 1 on 10-07-1943
			 Hello John, What kind of info do you need? John | 
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				Re: Lt. H. Ertmann JG 1 on 10-07-1943
			 Maybe 5573 is enought.. remi | 
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				Re: Lt. H. Ertmann JG 1 on 10-07-1943
			 John, John and Doug,  Thanks to all of you for your quick responses. Much appriciated 
				__________________ Kind regards, Bas Maathuis http://www.luchtoorlogboventwente.nl/ In Dutch only... | 
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