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Me109 E crashed near Lourdes on 11 November 1944
Hi gentlemen,
would any one of you have information about a Me109 E that crashed near the city of Lourdes (south west of france), on the Hautacam mountain ? Pilot was killed. Aircraft Type is 100% sure due to data plates found on site. This aircraft most likely belonged to JG101 based in Pau or Tarbes at the time. This event took place on 11 november 1944 (local testimony); I must say I have a doubt concerning the year (not the day) because the german troops retreated in August 1944. So, this crash may have actually taken place on 11 november 1943, I have a doubt. can you help ? Thanks in advance GC |
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Re: Me109 E crashed near Lourdes on 11 November 1944
1943-11-11, 2./JG 101, Bf 109E-7, 5145, 5 rote, Bei Argèles, Absturz. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Gefr Riemer, Kurt, tot Grab: Berneuil/Frankreich, Block 8, Reihe 12, Grab 301 Matti |
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Re: Me109 E crashed near Lourdes on 11 November 1944
Hello Matti,
Still the same difficulties with french cities & places names. - Argèles does exist as Argèles-sur-Mer but on mediterranean side far from Pau/Tarbes area. - Argelès does exist too as Argelès-Gazost in Pau - as well in Hautacan area. Can we suspect a wrong data/writing in original german documents or a wrong transcription? Since date, type and unit match, we can consider that it's the one Gilles is looking for: most probably. Cheers, Franck. |
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Re: Me109 E crashed near Lourdes on 11 November 1944
Thank you VERY MUCH Matti, that's the one.
You are right Franck: these crazy French city names then you have three or four cities with almost the same name ! (although I remember a customer of mine spending three hours in UK in a taxi because the taxi driver took him to a remote "Farnborough" village, totally different from the airshow one..) Anyway, this is it: Argeles Gazost is close to Lourdes where JG101 was based, so it is 99% sure this Me109 Emil is the good one. Thanks again to both of you. GC |
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Re: Me109 E crashed near Lourdes on 11 November 1944
Salut Gilles,
And you know as I know that it's a difficulty even for us French! ![]() Note: 2./JG101 was based in Pau-Ost (?) during that period; Lourdes did concern 3./JG101 following that page http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg101.html. But what was Pau-Ost? Tarbes? Ossun? A simple Airstrip....? Regards, Franck. |
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Re: Me109 E crashed near Lourdes on 11 November 1944
![]() Ooooo One more note: Matti wrote that Gefr. Kurt Riemer grab was in Berneuil. Still - again and again - we can find at least two Berneuil; One in Picardie and the other one in Charente. What ever the place it's strange to get his body from Argelès-Gazost to ... Berneuil, Charente one. Any explanations? Something to do with, let's say, South-West LW High command place?... Regards, France. |
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Re: Me109 E crashed near Lourdes on 11 November 1944
Merci Laurent!
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Re: Me109 E crashed near Lourdes on 11 November 1944
Merci à you all.
I shall write an article about these Me109 Artifacts I discovered on site. Have a good semaine; GC Last edited by gilles collaveri; 13th December 2011 at 20:24. |
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more French nit picking:
you have the Charente (Dept Number 16) and the Charente Maritime (17). These are different Departments
Berneuil is in Charente Maritime, so, I typed a mistake when I wrote "Berneuil in Charente" I was told of my mistake today by a Charentaise (girl from there).. Difficult to be a "mistake free" historian ! Cheers GC |
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Re: Me109 E crashed near Lourdes on 11 November 1944
Better you write Berneuil en Charentes,
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