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Documentation on squadron sized actions
I'm puzzled about the lack of documentation on squadron sized air battles in the ETO either online or in books. What I'm looking for is the exact composition of fairly balanced battles. For example, A planes of type B escorted C model D bombers in an attack on troop concentrations at place E. They were intercepted by F model G fighters that, by ignoring losses to the escort, were able to get among the bombers and caused enough losses that the mission was aborted. I'm somewhat unconcerned about losses; kill numbers are always inflated unless scrupulously edited post-war after reconciliation with enemy reports.
I have been able to find documentation for many such actions in the Pacific theater but few in Europe. Pacific accounts have certain advantages. The actions that involved carriers are well reported; the composition of strikes is usually noted as well as the number of them that didn't make it back to the carriers. Therefore, to get the complete picture, researchers just need to find information about the other side. However, even many actions without carriers have the sort of documentation that I seek. For example, the Darwin and Henderson Field raids have good info. Other actions in the Solomons and New Guinea are equally well documented. I realize that, in all theaters in 1944-1945, Allied air superiority was so great that I will be able to find few balanced actions in that time frame. However, that still leaves a considerable time period left. Interestingly, I have been able to find good documentation in some fringe campaigns. For example, Finland's Winter War and Continuation War has some well documented balanced actions. Similarly, some early actions in North Africa, especially involving biplanes, are well reported. Vichy air battles in defending Syria and later Morocco/Algeria against Torch have some useful battles. Some large daylight raids over continental Europe such as the Schweinfurt and Ploesti raids have usable info but these are the exception. Most other large raids have few details about the Luftwaffe interceptors other than a guess at raw numbers. This still leaves the Battle of Britain, the "circuses" over France, and the North African air battles between the RAF and Italians, later adding the Luftwaffe and USAAF. The massive German-Russian battles in 1942-1943 were well-known as land battles but ground support resulted in innumerable air battles too. There are lots of histories of the battles listed above but all deal mainly with big picture issues, few actions between small elements of the larger units are discussed. One would think that memoirs of aces would be of use. However, they tend to include only the memorable actions, particularly those in which they bested the enemy while severely out-numbered. These battles are exceptional but, by definition, aren't typical. After action reports by individual squadrons would seem to have useful info too. However, these provide only a list of the participants on their side; the enemy participants are nebulous both in numbers and model. Post-war, you would think that enemy records could be used to flesh out accurate squadron histories but this doesn't seem to have been done. What am I missing? What online sources have I overlooked? Books? |
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Re: Documentation on squadron sized actions
Keith,
German a/c and personnel losses have been documented in books on the Western Campaign and the Battle of Britain by British author Peter Cornwell in his After the Battle series. German fighter, bomber and Stuka operations during the Polish Campaign (Sept, 1939) have been well documented by Marius Emmerling, but in Polish, not English. I can't speak for the entire war period, but for the Western Campaign (May-June, 1940) and the so-called Battle of Britain (July-Oct., 1940), the problem has been the lack of comprehensive source material on the German side in English for many of the unit actions. The story of the WC and BoB has not been thoroughly told from the German side because few (except for the Polish Campaign) of the Luftwaffe unit diaries (KTBs) and mission records for that period have survived. A large amount of information still exists but it is fragmented and has to be assembled from a lot of different sources, much of which are not yet available in English. That is what the Eagles over Europe (EOE) Project (see permanent post at the top of this Luftwaffe board) is all about. Through many sources, a large number of translators, researchers and experts (at least 50) are pulling all this information on the daily air actions for 1939-40 together, and recreating in great detail what took place on both sides each day. The records will never be complete for all air actions--too much was lost or destroyed in the war, but the resolution of detail as to what happened is being greatly improved upon by the researchers affiliated with this project. Great things are happening but it takes time and a lot of resource dedication by many people to make this happen. Stay tuned. In the meantime, in his monumental series, Dr. Jochen Prien and his team of researchers has done excellent summaries in German of day fighter operations in all theaters for the period 1939-43, and are working forward from there. Prien and his team have also done detailed books on JG3, 27, 53 and 77, some volumes of which are available in English. Erik Mombeec and Jean-Louis Roba have done two volumes on the history of JG2, at least the first of which is available in English. Donald L. Caldwell has done several detailed books on the operations of JG26, and has just completed a two-volume work on the Defense of the Reich. The Bf110 participation in the two major 1940 campaigns has been nicely covered in English by John Vasco and Peter Cornwell, and Vasco has published the story of ErprGr210 during the BoB about as completely as any German air unit can probably ever be done. He's also done a very good history of ZG1 later in the war. Historical summaries of all the major German bomber and Stuka units have been recently published in English by Larry de Zeng (Henry L. de Zeng IV) and Doug Stankey (Douglas G. Stankey). Chris Goss has done two excellent books, one on German fighter and the other on bomber operations over Britain, as well as other books on maritime operations that provide a lot of first person accounts. He's also done an excellent account of one German fighter squadron, 1./JG53, and an opposing British fighter squadron during the BoB. Belgian author Peter Taghon has done a comprehensive and recent two-volume work on Lehrsgeschwader 1 in German. There are also a number of German bomber unit histories of varying quality and completeness that have been published in German over the years by various authors, including Ulf Balke's excellent history of KG2 and another earlier work on KG100. In English, Alfred Price's books on 18 August 1940 and 15 September 1940 are to be particularly recommended for coverage of both sides of the action. In French, one of the main researchers is Arnaud Gillet, who has published several volumes on the WC of 1940. So there is stuff out there, but quite a bit of it isn't accessible to non-German, French or Polish speaking readers. Regards, Last edited by Larry Hickey; 25th October 2011 at 09:52. |
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Re: Documentation on squadron sized actions
Larry,
Thanks for your reply. It confirms much of which I have found. Too many Luftwaffe units basically acted as "fire brigades", moving from place to place "putting out fires", sometimes with other units temporarily attached. This transient lifestyle seems to have had a detrimental effect on record keeping. I have seen a few of the books that you named and will try to find others. However, the problem with squadron histories is that, while they have data for that squadron, they don't have equal access to data on their opponents on any given day. I wasn't aware of the EOE project and look forward to its findings; however, I fear that they won't emerge in the near future. BoB histories all seem to speak in generalities like such and such squadrons went up to intercept the 30-50 incoming bombers. Not only is the number (and maybe models) of the enemy uncertain but so is the RAF side since many squadrons were under-strength at any particular time. I noticed that none of the sources that you listed dealt with the Western Desert Campaign. Can you recommend any in this area? Thanks again, |
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Re: Documentation on squadron sized actions
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Re: Documentation on squadron sized actions
Hi,
for the air War in the Mediterranean:- "Fighters Over The Desert" C.F.Shores & H.Ring this covers the air action June 1940 - Dec 1942 ( An updated and expanded version of this book is due out soon) "Fighters Over Tunisia" by same authors + W.Hess this covers air action over Algeria,Tunisia etc Nov 1942 - May 1943 "Malta - The Hurricane Year 1941" by C.f.Shores, B.Cull et al "Malta - The Spitfire Year 1942" by same authors "Air War Over Yugoslavia, Greece and Crete 1940-41" same authors "Dust Clouds in the Middle East" by C.Shores this covers Syria,East Africa and Iraq 1940-41 "Hurricanes Over Tobruk","Spitfires Over Sicily" "Hurricanes Over Malta", "Gladiators Over Malta", Spitfires Over Malta" all by B.Cull "Flying Sailors At War" by B.Cull - this covers FAA actions in full 1939 -May 40. "Fledgeling Eagles" by C.Shores & co covers the phoney War + Norway Also the "Fighter Command War Diaries" 5 Vols by J.Foreman plus the same authors 2 volume set "1941 The Turning Point" These all are pretty essential to study the subject Cheers Bruce Lander |
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Re: Documentation on squadron sized actions
Bruce,
Thanks for your suggestions about Mediterranean theater sources. I haven't seen any of them before and will definitely look into them. Keith |
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Re: Documentation on squadron sized actions
And maybe "Air War Italy 1944–45" by Beale, D'Amico & Valentini" (Airlife, 1996)? Most of the daylight actions in the period we covered were at squadron-level or below and we were very keen to identify the participants on either side.
For Northwest Europe, Martin Middlebrook's "The Schweinfurt-Regensburg Mission" would fit the bill as would Alfred Price and Jeffrey Ethell's "Target Berlin: Mission 250: 6 March 1944." |
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Re: Documentation on squadron sized actions
You might also find Andrew Arthy/Morten Jessen's works on the Fw 190 units in Africa and Sicily useful.
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Re: Documentation on squadron sized actions
Hey Don - I will want to buy a copy from you. Also, I finally went to the darkside and signed with Schiffer on mine. I hope some of my stuff proved useful for you.
Warm Regards, Bill
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Re: Documentation on squadron sized actions
Hi Bill --
You're on my e-mail list to notify as soon as I have books. Unfortunately, I don't even know who the US distributor will be. I've made good but limited use of your 355FG info in this book, and would use more of it in one of the two followup books I have in mind. I want to use the same format as my previous two books, and don't know if any UK publisher will want it, leaving me with Schiffer. Please keep me updated on your experiences with them. -- Don |
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