Jg 27 Bf 109s w.nr. 2623 ans 2747(?)

[chuckschmitz]

I believe these to be Bf 109 Es from JG 27 with w.nr. 2623 and 2747. Does anyone have details?

Chuck

[chuckschmitz]

and not ans.

Chuck

[Jim P.]

Could WNr. 2623 actually be WNr. 2023? If so, maybe Lippert, Gr.Kdr. II./JG 27. I have several entries for WNr. 2747, but all post BoB.

[chuckschmitz]

Taking another look it could indeed be 2023. Thanks.

[ouidjat]

And actually 2623 is here:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=1893

Regards, Franck.

[chuckschmitz]

Ok, is there a 2623 with JG 27?

[chuckschmitz]

Following up on the previous, anyone have anything on w.nr. 2761 or 67? Thanks.

Chuck

[chuckschmitz]

Hello all,

The photos came from a batch of 18 during a recent eBay buy. Unfortunately there were no dates or locations on the photos, only what the seller supplied. I've checked in the few references I have and have not found anything to help. I've attached two more and will clean-up a couple more to perhaps aid in finding an answer.

Chuck

[Larry Hickey]

Hello,

Franck raises an interesting possibility--that some of the victory tabs on W.Nr. 2023 have down arrowhead for destruction of Allied a/c on the ground, with others perhaps have up arrowheads for air victories. The most famous example of this practice was the scoreboard of Wilhelm Balthasar of JG3 (Oesau later inherited this a/c, and was also photographed with it). However, the scoreboard on 2023 may not actually show up and down arrowheads. The photo I referred to in a private collection is quite clear and shows 17 standard victory tabs with no up or down arrowheads on them. These would have had to have been added between the 17 and 18th victory tabs. So that is probably not what we are seeing. It is in interesting thought, however, that ground claims, if present, could account for the discrepancy in Lippert's "official" score by the end of the BoB, and the tail scoreboard.

Regards,

Larry Hickey
EoE Project Coordinator

[Jim P.]

Lippert also made 5 claims in Spain - is it possible that these are included? Seems rather unlikely, but I raise that as a possibilty. The Bf 109E WNr. 2023 we know was Lippert's machine from some point during the BoB - we have other photos that confirm that fact.

Ultimately there weren't that many guys that had at least 18 claims at the end of the BoB, so either the score includes ground claims or, as Larry suggests, this photo is from the spring of 41 and the theater markings were more forward on the machine. JG 27 was one of units that went East with the Bf 109E.