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28th November 2013, 01:53
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Seeking unit of Uffz Herbert Rollwege of II./JG53 during Sept-Dec., 1939
Hello,
I'm trying to determine if Uffz Herbert Rollwage was in 4./JG53 at the beginning of the war. His RK bio says he was a Uffz in 5./JG53 in 1941. Does anyone know if he served in 4 Staffel earlier in the war? Thanx for any help. Regards, Larry Hickey EoE Project Coordinator 
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28th November 2013, 05:30
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Re: Seeking unit of Uffz Herbert Rollwege of II./JG53 during Sept-Dec., 1939
His EKM (MOB number 67009) was from 4./JG 53.
Matti
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28th November 2013, 07:33
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Re: Seeking unit of Uffz Herbert Rollwege of II./JG53 during Sept-Dec., 1939
Matti,
Thanx. What was the date of this award? Regards, Larry Hickey EoE Project Coordinator
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28th November 2013, 07:48
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Re: Seeking unit of Uffz Herbert Rollwege of II./JG53 during Sept-Dec., 1939
Don't know exactly. Quite probably in March/April 1940, when a new system was started.
Matti
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28th November 2013, 09:31
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Re: Seeking unit of Uffz Herbert Rollwege of II./JG53 during Sept-Dec., 1939
Matti,
That date works for what I wanted. Thanx. I know what EKI and EKII are, but what is EKM? Regards, Larry Hickey EoE Project Coordinator
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28th November 2013, 09:47
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Re: Seeking unit of Uffz Herbert Rollwege of II./JG53 during Sept-Dec., 1939
Erkennungsmarke which essentially his service number not an award
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28th November 2013, 10:58
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Re: Seeking unit of Uffz Herbert Rollwege of II./JG53 during Sept-Dec., 1939
Hi, Larry
You would have your dog tag from your service years - the Erkennungsmarke is the same thing. Regards, Andreas B
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Ahhh... but I have seen the holy grail! And it is painted RLM 76 all over with a large Mickey Mouse on the side, there is a familiar pilot in front of it and it has an Erla Haube!
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#8
28th November 2013, 11:18
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Re: Seeking unit of Uffz Herbert Rollwege of II./JG53 during Sept-Dec., 1939
The EKM shown by Andreas is the version used by everybody before March/April 1940. It had an inscription of the unit in clear text, which of course was good for enemy when interrogating POWs.
It was changed in 1940 to an encrypted version, which was used by flying personnel in fighting units. Flying personnel in homeland and ground personnel continued to use the old version. In a new system a MOB number was used to hide the actual unit. Normally every staffel had its own number(s) (as 67009 for 4./JG 53). In the beginning the maximum was 20 persons for every MOB number, but that limit was quite soon omitted and at the end there might have been hundreds of individuals for a single MOB number. To make things more complicated also letter(s) were used with the MOB number and often it is difficult to know whether letter A or B belongs to the EKM or if it is a blood group. The MOB number had 5 or 6 digits. About 3000 different MOB numbers were used in total. Fortunately most of the EKM catalogs survived and are now at WASt. Matti
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28th November 2013, 11:28
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Re: Seeking unit of Uffz Herbert Rollwege of II./JG53 during Sept-Dec., 1939
Andreas & Matti,
Thanx for the lesson on German "dog tags." I was familiar with what they were, but didn't know that the abbreviation EKM referred to them. Matti's detailed description of the system is excellent. Regards, Larry Hickey EoE Project Coordinator
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28th November 2013, 12:34
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Re: Seeking unit of Uffz Herbert Rollwege of II./JG53 during Sept-Dec., 1939
Hi, Matti!
Did you get my message regarding the Strichlisten?? I have way to many e-mail addresses for you :-) Regards, Andreas B
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Ahhh... but I have seen the holy grail! And it is painted RLM 76 all over with a large Mickey Mouse on the side, there is a familiar pilot in front of it and it has an Erla Haube!
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