PZL P.11 Luftwaffe in Photo Album

[musec04]

Hello,

Currently on ebay is a photo album at:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Fotoalbum-15...oAAOSwwjhfnCkH

which has two photos of aPZL P.11 in Luftwaffe markings. There is also a Ju W 34 with Stkz PV+H* Does the latter allow the possibility of determining which unit operated the PZL P.11?


Regards,


Clint

[Tom Willis]

Hi Clint
The Polish aircraft is a PZL P.7.
The two Ju W34s are different a/c. The 1st part of PV+?? is only visible. The other W34 has ??+HI. The two Stkz do not marry up. Perhaps a clue to the Unit's identity is the Ar66C - CK+JQ which belonged to Sch.FAR 21 at Deblin. This unit operated at least 1 PZL P.7. At present the question of whether a PZL 11 is in German markings is still open. As far as I can tell only the P.7 has been photographed

[musec04]

Thanks Tom,


I suppose with the Warschau caption to the aircraft in the link that Deblin is a fairly good probability for the location and so the aircraft shown being the Sch.FAR 21 aircraft you mention. I take it no Stkz is given for that machine?


Regards,


Clint

[robert]

Hi,

At least 1 P.11 was painted and used by a German recon squadron in September 1939.

Regards

Robert

[Tom Willis]

At present I cannot find any connection with PV+?? to Sch./FAR 21 but there is a connection in the Album to Deblin-Irena dated 01.06.40 with 2 young pilots

[Tom Willis]

Thanks Robert - Do you have anymore details? Especially any photographic or document reference?

[Kaiyan]

Hi, I picked up these from old very old e-bay, the one with the white spinner was reportedly a PZL.7a and the other as a PZL.11c (based on what can be seen of the undercarriage and Rudder but I'm not so certain).
regards

[edwest2]

On the old LEMB, there are photos of Polish aircraft in German markings but no fuselage codes. In any case, a PZL P.7a is identified as being with FFS AB 2, and a PZL P.11c with FAR 21.

[Tom Willis]

Thanks Kaiyan and Ed - The photos I have seen before and still not convinced of a P.11c. The shape of the rudder and u/c are still those of a P.7a.
Ed - can you confirm the possible source for FFS(A/B)2 (new to me) and I only have the P.7a as with FAR 21. Thanks

[Von Alles]

According to Carslsen & Meyer, FFS A2 came from FAR.21, but A2 was no longer in Poland when established.