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Finnish claim for this russian pilot
Hi,
i find in the book: Soviet Airmen in the Spanish Civil War of Paul Whelan, page 98 Fedor Aleksandrovich Samsonov Pilot in 107th IAE 83rd IAB Byeloussian Mil. Dist. Flew in SCWin I-16 from 26 march to 28 june 1938. Wounded in combat in 18 may 38 his aircraft ran low on fuel and he crashed while making an emergency landing.. Later in Ruso-Finnish he was a senior pilot in 49th IAP KIA in 8 december 1939 when his aircraft was shot down by Finnish fighter. His resting place is unknown.... (Kaminskii, Semenov "Parol", Abrosov, Los Rusos, Prada) my question is: i don´t find any claim over this pilot, who was his possible victor? many thanks, regards
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle." Dietrich Hrabak "The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....." Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first." Adolf Galland |
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Re: Finnish claim for this russian pilot
F. A. Samsonov served in the 49th IAP and was indeed killed in the Soviet-Finnish Winter War on 8.12.1939 but the cause was a mid-air collision with another I-16 when trying to avoid Finnish AA-fire during a ground attack mission near Mantsi (located at the northeast coast of lake Ladoga). Also the other I-16 pilot (lt. P.M. Kozhakin) was killed.
Geust 2011: Red Stars 7. The Winter War in the air, p. 198. Very well-researched and detailed book about the Red Army Air Force in the Winter War based on intensive study of Soviet air unit records. If any interest on the topic, highly recommended. |
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Re: Finnish claim for this russian pilot
hi,
seems an error in Paul Whelan's book... thanks for your info, anyway if you need something of this book send it to me: kreator1989@hotmail.com regards
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle." Dietrich Hrabak "The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....." Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first." Adolf Galland |
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Re: Finnish claim for this russian pilot
GMichalski
Can I have your opinion on the book you quote from, please? Is this a list of names only with brief details, or does it give each pilots claims in the civil war as well? Number of missions perhaps? Beside a list of all known Soviet airmen, does it contain anyting else? I would for instance be interested in a short day-by-day summary seen from the Soviet side. Cheers Stig |
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Re: Finnish claim for this russian pilot
hi,
follows this scheme: list of name russian squadron before SCW served in spain from date to date Squadron in SCW in some cases codename number of missions claims or casualties/accidents medals in SCW info post SCW other good point is the correct locations in Spain... it's a good complement to this web: http://airaces.narod.ru/spane/spane.htm info taken from Semenov, Los Rusos, Kaminski, Abrosov, airaces.narod.ru, Pravda, Berch, Gagin, Logoluso,Salas... and when pilot was wounded or kia in combat or accident you find one, two or three versions with the sources... i'm trying to make a guide with the fighting per day , claims and losses but im not yet read the whole book and I have little time... if need some info send to me... regards
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle." Dietrich Hrabak "The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....." Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first." Adolf Galland |
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Re: Finnish claim for this russian pilot
Thanks
Are ALL known pilots listed? I mean not only fighter pilots, but also bomber, reconnaissance and other sundry pilots? Cheers Stig |
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