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Death of Maj Kurt Schede I/KG 50
Thanks to Matti, it would appear that the above and his crew were lost on 16 Jan 43 in a He 177 A-1, 15233, E8+FH. The cause is stated as being force-landed at Gumrak due to fighter attack or possibly during mission to Poljakowka crashing ca. 3 km nordwestl.d. Talovoy-Schlucht or 'Am boden beim LKW Transport volltreffer einer schweren bombe' Can anyone unravel how he and his crew were killed?
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Re: Death of Maj Kurt Schede I/KG 50
Hi Chris,
'Am boden beim LKW Transport volltreffer einer schweren bombe' would mean something like: on the ground during a transport on a lorry by a direct hit of a heavy bomb"... |
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Re: Death of Maj Kurt Schede I/KG 50
That is my understanding which in this case doesn't make sense
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Re: Death of Maj Kurt Schede I/KG 50
My take:
Schede and crew killed when a truck they were being transported in was hit by a heavy bomb. L. |
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Re: Death of Maj Kurt Schede I/KG 50
The only reference to Poljakowka I could find was as a distict of Davlekanovo in the republic of Baschkortostan well away from the Mission to Gumrak on the GQM. However Talovoy came up as being next to Gumrak so I take the location as 3km. N/W of the Talovoy Gorge/Gulch. The usual cause quoted for the loss of Maj Schede is crashed in flames following engine fire. Is it possible he crash landed and was killed when the truck sent to pick them up was bombed ?
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Re: Death of Maj Kurt Schede I/KG 50
Now you understand my confusion especially as he was linked to He 177 A-1, 15233, E8+FH!
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Re: Death of Maj Kurt Schede I/KG 50
According to Dmitry Degtev and Dmitry Zubov (item 30 of Chapter 4 of the book “Hitler's Air Bridges: The Luftwaffe's Supply Operations of the Second World War”): “the fate of Major Kurt Schede became clear only after seventy-four years. At the end of 2016, the wreckage of a He 177 was found on the ravine near the village of Talovaya Balka (Svitlovodsky district of the Kirovograd area, now in Ukraine)”.
According to the Russian historians, only small fragments of the German bomber were found, but some included the nameplates and badge of the pilot, thus confirming this was the machine of Major Kurt Schede and his crew. Due to the bad weather at Zaporozhye, the crew may have opted to land at the reserve field, in Kirovograd. Apparently, the Bordfunker radioed that the airplane was fired at by anti-aircraft guns (AA), near Polyakovka, and crashed soon afterwards. The probable cause of their loss would be, therefore: “friendly fire”. Does anyone knows the Historians who have dig out the remains of Major Schede and of his machine? Are there images of those items found on the place where the wreckage was found? Was he re-buried accordingly? What are the news from the Ukraine area about this He 177 finding? Adriano |
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Re: Death of Maj Kurt Schede I/KG 50
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All reports so far indicate Schede's aircraft went down very close to Stalingrad. I can't see how it is possible his aircraft can be located near a place called Talovaya Balka I can't find that place, but something called Balka Talovaya instead. Same place? Whatever the case, Kirovograd area is nowhere near Stalingrad. B Rgds Stig |
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Re: Death of Maj Kurt Schede I/KG 50
I would agree with Stig. German records state he crashed or was killed at 1600hrs at Poljakowka which is nowhere near where this book claims (in fact over 2,000km away)
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This is why I asked the question...the authors inform that evidences (parts of the aircraft, probably the EKM and pilot's badge) were found.
I would be interested to see those images of those evidences they say that exist....and eventually the burial place of the airmen (if they were really found). From where they got this information is a mistery. I do have Schede's NVM but not a hand right now, since am far away from home...and a good picture of this officer (Studio image), hence my interest on his story. Anyway, maybe the authors can add something or someone from the Russian side...I believe that if some parts of his Memorablia were found (EKM, Pilot's Badge) that he deserves a full military funeral on the spot the plane crashed. A. Balka Talovaya Балка Таловая Ravina https://www.google.com.br/maps/place...q1v4?entry=ttu We can see that this place is some 5 km to the East of Kotelnikovo, some Km WSW of now Volgograd (Stalingrad). We know from reports that the weather was not good. If we do follow up the route from Zaporoshye we can see a certain logic to "follow up" the river up to Mariupol, Rostov and then keep following the Don river upstream (VOR = visual over the River). They may have not found the correct place to drop the supplies and may have decided to return by the same route (visual over the river). I can see no historical problems at all on what has been described by the Russian authors so far.... Chris could you inform us where Poljakowka is (or where in WW2)? I have tried to find it on Google maps but got no joy at all.... |
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