The first ace to reach a certain score

[knusel]

Good morning Gentlemen,

this list shows which ace was the first to reach a certain score. Enjoy !

Score / ace / date
5 Adolphe Pégoud 03.04.15
6 Eugène Gilbert 17.06.15
7 Lanoe Hawker 07.09.15
8-13 Oswald Boelcke 12.01.16-21.03.16
14 Max Immelmann 23.04.16
15-29 Oswald Boelcke 01.05.16-27.09.16
30-31 Albert Ball 30.09.16
32-40 Oswald Boelcke 10.10.16-26.10.16
41-80 Manfred von Richthofen 13.04.17-20.04.18

81-115 Werner Mölders 06.05.41-15.07.41
116-150 Gordon Gollob 07.08.42-29.08.42
151-202 Hermann Graf 05.09.42-26.09.42
203-205 Hans Philipp 17.03.43-16.05.43
206-255 Walter Nowotny 14.09.43-12.11.43
256-275 Günther Rall 12.03.44-12.05.44
276-352 Erich Hartmann 20.08.44-08.05.45

Michael

[Johannes]

Hi Michael

Philipp had quite a few unconfirmed in his total, so in reality Nowotny led 203-255.
My friend Bernd Barbas questioned Rall about his "275th" not being on the mikrofilms, but all others were. He explained that he was wounded after this one and just didn't complete the paperwork, thus unconfirmed, though we know it fell. I suspect that Rall was one of the few honest guys in the "200" club. So Rall 256-274.

Molders also had a few unconfirmed, as I suspect Gollob.

Berkhorn just misses out, being on 272 when Rall on 274.

Sad thing is that is reality Rall would have been first to 200 and 250. Perhaps Marseilles first to 150(by memory)

Kind Regards

Johannes

[knusel]

Hello Johannes,

if my memory serves me well, Hans Philipp's 203rd kill was recognized in the Wehrmachtsbericht from 18Mar1943. But I cannot relocate the text.

Michael

[knusel]

I've found an interesting discussion about the most successful living ace at given periods of time. This is worth a look:
http://forum.balsi.de/index.php?topic=6981.0

Cheers,

Michael

[knusel]

Good afternoon Gentlmen,

three late first scores by Erich Hartmann are still unclear to me:
346 (??.03.1945): what was the exact date ?
347 (16.03.1945): what did he shoot down ?
352 (08.05.1945): did he fly a Bf109G or a Bf109K ?

Michael

[HGabor]

On May 8, 1945 Hartmann did not shoot down anything. Not sure about the model he flew though.
Gabor

[SteveR]

Gabor's book is very convincing, well-researched, well-written, and highly recommended.

[knusel]

But what is relevance of this issue to the topic of this thread and the questions I asked therein?

[HGabor]

Well, you asked about an unknown AC type. I said I do not know but it is ultimately irrelevant, because in this case even the known AC types are unreliable.
Gabor

[knusel]

For some forum members overclaiming is the answer to almost everything they are interested in.
To me it's the answer to almost nothing that I'm interested in.
Although I can believe that this topic can be fun, I also believe that loss lists are more incomplete that kill lists.