Luftwaffe Crew lost over England?

[rickback4444]

Hi,

Could anyone provide details concerning the 3 aircrew below who might have been lost over England:

Gefr. Benno Pfiffner - killed in a flying death on 1st November 1940;
Herbert Daigl - lost on a flying mission on 13th August 1940 and
Uffz.Willibald Amann - who deid on the 7th May 1941 on a mission to England.

Many thanks

Rick

[Brian Bines]

Uffz. Willibald Amann the B. from a He111 of 3/KG55 shot down off Portland during raid to Liverpool on 7/8-5-1941. May have fallen to a Beaufighter of 604 Sqd,

Regards

Brian Bines

[Peter Cornwell]

Hello Rick,

Gefr Herbert DAIGL was one of four crewmen killed when a Junkers Ju88A of 6./LG1 was involved in a take-off accident at Orleans-Bricy.

Gefr Benno PFIFFNER was one of the four crew lost off Jersey in a Dornier Do17P of 3.(F)/123 (4086) following engine failure.

[cheesey]

Hello Peter.

You mention Gefr Benno PFIFFNER in your reply lost in a Do 17 (4086) of
3.(F)/123! I have the following:-

Do 17 P (Wnr.4086) of 2.(F)/123. Engine failure after take-off. Crashed onto beach at La Pulente, Jersey.Leutnant Gohringer, Feldwebel Kramer, Uffz.Grunmuller & Obergefreiter Schinkel all lost.

No mention of Pfiffner & Staffel is different! Have I got my facts wrong & could you help by throwing a bit of light on the matter?

Cheers, Steve.

[Brian Bines]

Steve,

Ahead of a reply from Peter the Luft.Q.M's returns shows 3(F)/123 with Ff. Fw.Werner Kramer, B. Ltn Wilhelm Gohringer, Bm.Uffz. Karl Grunmuller and Bs.Gef. Benno Pfiffner as killed. There is no mention of a Bf. so there is a possibility that the Ogef. Schinkel you mention was the Bf. who survived the crash, this is only an assumption do you have the source of where his name came from,

Regards

Brian Bines

[Peter Cornwell]

Hello Steve,

Brian has posted the details from the GQM Returns for which thanks, Brian.

I regret that I have no idea who Obergefr SCHINKEL may have been. He is not listed in the GQM Returns or the NVMs for I.(F)/123, nor can I find him listed in German War Graves records.

As to the unit, the GQM Returns certainly list this loss under 3.(F)/123 but I note that the NVMs record it as 2.(F)/123 with all four crewmen listed as members of that Staffel. Their personal IDs confirm the fact, apart from the Beobachter, Lt d R Wilhelm GOHRINGER, who carried the ID of the Aufklarungs Flieger Schule I. So 2.(F)/123 is probably the more correct.

The NVM also provides the location 'St. Quens-Bay (Insel Jersey)'. I take this to be near St Ouen's but how does this equate with your location of 'La Pulente' ?