Kü.FI.Gr.606 vs K.Gr.606

[Peter Cook]

I am trying to establish the date when Kü.FI.Gr.606 was officially renamed as K.Gr.606. According to DeZeng and Stankey's Bomber Units of the Luftwaffe 1933-1945, Volume 2, although this unit was originally formed as a Küstenfliegergruppe, it designation was changed to a Kampfgruppe and was operating as K.Gr.606 by the time hostilities began. However, a number of loss lists for the Battle of Britain period refer to downed Do 17s of Kü.FI.Gr.606. Which is correct?

[Chris Goss]

Mid-September it was still Kü.Fl.Gr but I have asked before when this change over took place. I will check the NVMs and report back

[Peter Cook]

Thanks Chris, I have a similar query for Kü.FI.Gr.806 vs K.Gr.806

[ju55dk]

DeZeng and Stankey's Bomber Units of the Luftwaffe 1933-1945, Volume 2 are totally wrong on this. As you can see from attached picture, in september 1940 it was still KüFlGr 606.
Junker

[JoMe]

Hi

The KüFlGr.606 was never renamed to KGr.606.
In Sept. 1942 KüFlGr.606 was renamed in I./KG 77.

best wishes
JoMe

[Chris Goss]

If you have a look in my book on the Condor, you will see org charts which states that from 10 Jun 41 onward, it became KGr 606. Luftflotte 3 on 19 May 1941 calls it Kü.Fl.Gr 606 but the unit NVM for the same dates says KGr 606 as do NVMs for April 1941! As for 806, NVM for Aug 40 says KGr 806

[Larry deZeng]

Originally Posted by ju55dk

DeZeng and Stankey's Bomber Units of the Luftwaffe 1933-1945, Volume 2 are totally wrong on this. As you can see from attached picture, in september 1940 it was still KüFlGr 606.
Junker

Jörn: see Chris Goss Post No. 11 on this thread. I know everyone else is always wrong while you are always right, but the jury is still out on this one.

L.

[RT]

Nick , i think that the last units were the 1.Kü.Fl.Gr.406 nd 1.Kü.Fl.Gr.906, noted like that on documents late on the war, KTM OKM till may/june 1943, after that date they were named, KGr. , only Ultra named them with the old acronym in 1944...

Rémi

[RT]

Possibly switch become obvious for everybody, when these units clearly, were used to use Land-planes, question is how many time it takes to most of the people to no more consider a marine unit using land-planes as a marine unit ..
Rémi

[ju55dk]

Originally Posted by Larry deZeng

Jörn: see Chris Goss Post No. 11 on this thread. I know everyone else is always wrong while you are always right, but the jury is still out on this one.

L.

I'm not allways right. But I posted the frontpage of the units KTB, covering 1-15 september 1940. It clearly states KüFlGr. Chris is talking about october 1940. I will look forward to be proven wrong, in the case of 606.
Junker