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Zerstörer - Unit codes
Not having my books here I got myself a bit in an information twist regarding Zerstörer units and the codes used here. Unfortunately www.ww2.dk is sometimes not much of a help, so I'd be glad if you experts here could help me straighten out the mess regarding tactical codes. Thx in advance!
Stab/ZG 1
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Re: Zerstörer - Unit codes
The code for ZG 26 was changed from U8 to 3U as early as July 1940, although both were used until 1941 when 3U became permanent. In the Defense of the Reich, colored numbers were also used. An example is a Messerschmitt Me 410A-2 with the code of 3U + EP of 6./ZG 26.
ZG 76 in 1943 used 2N. Many aircraft also used the colored numbering system of the Jagdwaffe. An example is the Messerschmitt Bf 110G-2 with the code of 2N + EM of 4./ZG 76. See Luftwaffe Codes, Markings & Units by Barry Rosch.
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Re: Zerstörer - Unit codes
Hmm, I have the a/c of ZG 76 in 1943/44 with the ID M8. For example, M8+NR, a Bf110G-3 of 7./ZG76, shot down on 29.11.43. And, M8+Chevron 2, an Me 410 B-2, shot down on 27.6.44, belonging to the Geschwader Stab of ZG 76. But, I do see the occasional 2N marking on these aircraft, so what is the guideline on them?
And, while Sylvester is correct about the 3U of ZG 26, I am a bit doubtful of 3U+EP of 6./ZG 26 being an Me 410 A-2, because, while Mtt built 6 of them in the spring of 1943 I doubt that any would be around for very long, and those that were would practically be impossible to identify correctly. Last edited by George Hopp; 29th September 2009 at 07:56. |
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Re: Zerstörer - Unit codes
As to the ZG 76 second installment.
III. Gruppe used 2N+ code...but its formation has never completed (9th Staffel never existed). Stab, I. and II. Gruppe ZG 76 were having code M8+ !!!! Photos showing a/c with other than this are from the months of late August 1943 and September, when unit was in phase of becoming new or used a/c Bf 110 and in training mode. Since October all a/c had proper marking with M8+ letter code..in January 1944 lettering was abandoned at the unit and digits in Staffel colors were used, e.g. M8+ black 2. For the Bf 110 the M8+digit was used, for the Me 410s M8 digit + format was used (number ahead of fuselage cross) Hope this helps....(information based on photos and Flugbucher/documents readings
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Re: Zerstörer - Unit codes
So to simplify the issue (the work I'm doing is for Il-2 Sturmovik 1946, I am tidying up and correcting the german unit list for a future patch) it would mean ZG26 (2nd installment) would use 3U and ZG 76 (2nd installment) would use M8, except III./ZG 76 which would use 2N. Is that about right? Anything on the 1943 formations of I. and III./ZG 1?
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Re: Zerstörer - Unit codes
SO please READ again my posting....ZG 76 second installment M8...!
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Re: Zerstörer - Unit codes
Yes, I edited my post ...
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Re: Zerstörer - Unit codes
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Stab, ZG 1 (1939) = 2N Stab, ZG 1 (Jan 1942) = S9 Stab, ZG 1 (around mid-1943 onwards) = S9 (but possibly a switch to 2N at some point - no Geschwadestab aircraft losses recorded, so difficult to call this one) I./ZG 1 (1939-1940) = 2N I./ZG 1 (Jan 1942) = S9 I./ZG 1 (from V./KG 40) = 2N II./ZG 1 (1939-1940) = 2N II./ZG 1 (Jan 1942) = S9 II./ZG 1 (by Jan 1944) = 2N III./ZG 1 (Jan 1942) = S9 III./ZG 1 (latter part of 1943 onwards) = 2N ZG 2, fine. Stab, ZG 26 = 3U I./ZG 26 = initially U8, first half of 1941, changed to 3U I./ZG 26 (1943) = 3U, later used numerals, I believe. II./ZG 26 = 3U II./ZG 26 (1943) = 3U, later used numerals, I believe. III./ZG 26 = 3U Stab ZG 76 = M8 I./ZG 76 = M8 II./ZG 76 = M8 III./ZG 76 = 2N (All four above correct for 1940 period) When elements of ZG 76 were reformed in the late war years, they carried the code 'M8'. They did NOT carry the code '2N'. Many publications over the years have erroneously captioned Bf 110s with the code '2N' as being ZG 76. That is incorrect. They are ZG 1 machines. Hope this helps.
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Re: Zerstörer - Unit codes
Thx, John!
Looking at what I can do within the confines of the Il-2 engine and what I'd like to do I simply made a broad sweep and made as generic but accurate entries as possible. As a result I now have ZG 1 with 2N, ZG 26 with 3U and ZG 76 with M8 across the board. I know this ain't right for all times, but I already have over 200 entries for the Luftwaffe alone (and I have yet to look at the recon and transport units) and I don't want to clog up the drop-down selection any more than absolutely necessary. |
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Re: Zerstörer - Unit codes
Hello
Thanks all for an interesting post. Am I correct in stating that both SKG 210 and Erpr 210 use the code S9? If this is correct over what period did each unit use it. Did one of both units also use 2N? I have always been a bit confused by this. Thanks in advance Chris |
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